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Just the real one, if you dont think life is like that I am afraid ya gonn ahave a few shocks coming your way!

You think my workplace can just get rid of me if they think they can pay someone less? You think I can just change jobs if I don't like where I am? Sorry mate, the world ain't like that! My workplace can't sack me for no reason. I have family commitments and can't just resign. Fuck knows what planet you're on. :confused:
 
Just the real one, if you dont think life is like that I am afraid ya gonn ahave a few shocks coming your way!



Atleast someone recognises something of the world I live in.

Umm - the world we live in is no more real than blagsta's. It's just harder to get treated fairly. Or so I thought ...
 
You think my workplace can just get rid of me if they think they can pay someone less? You think I can just change jobs if I don't like where I am? Sorry mate, the world ain't like that! My workplace can't sack me for no reason. I have family commitments and can't just resign. Fuck knows what planet you're on. :confused:


Please show me where i said they could just get rid of you or where I said that you should resign. In my world we read posts before spouting bollocks in reply!
 
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If his employer thinks that in the current economic climate he can secure the services of a new employee for less than Blagsta is asking for he will wave goodbye to Blagsta and employee a cheaper worker,
 
I don't work in the private sector, I work for a charity (which you'd know if you'd been following!). Things don't work quite the same in the voluntary sector as they do in the private sector. We can't just ask for pay rises.
 
here you seem to be suggesting that if I didn't like what I was being paid, I could just resign and get another job. Sorry mate, but life ain't like that!

His employer no doubt feels that he is paid the market rate because he is doing the job for the renumeration on offer.
 
If Blagsta secures a higher paid job then he will have a valid argument that he is worth more money in the market and a payrise is likely to be forthcoming if his employer values him enough to want to keep him. If his employer thinks that in the current economic climate he can secure the services of a new employee for less than Blagsta is asking for he will wave goodbye to Blagsta and employee a cheaper worker.

Please try and quote in context, I said that if you had secured another job you had a case for higher salary from existing boss. If he decided not to pay it to you you could move on to new employer couldn't you, I never said resign without a new job to go to!!
 
Please try and quote in context, I said that if you had secured another job you had a case for higher salary from existing boss. If he decided not to pay it to you you could move on to new employer couldn't you, I never said resign without a new job to go to!!

Again, it doesn't work like that. If I had another job, my boss wouldn't give me a pay rise just 'cos I might leave. It may be like that in the private sector but it isn't in the charity sector. Maybe if you read my posts, you might have worked this out!
 
Another recommendation for the union. No harm in asking their opinion, though if everyone is payed within a band then it may be difficult to get anywhere. There's just so many potential variables, e.g. what was your salary before you got this job?, what were the others? they may have got paid more as they were earning more before and your employer had to match it. Were you working for the organisation before and promoted? - sometimes you may not get as much as someone from the outside; previous experience.... just so many.

If its competency based do the other members of staff spend as much time posting on bulletin boards? :)
 
I dont see how my example was stupid, it illustarted that not all employees are paid the same salary by their employer and that even new employees can earn more than longer standing employees.

Blagsta is employed and is paid a wage. His employer no doubt feels that he is paid the market rate because he is doing the job for the renumeration on offer. If Blagsta secures a higher paid job then he will have a valid argument that he is worth more money in the market and a payrise is likely to be forthcoming if his employer values him enough to want to keep him. If his employer thinks that in the current economic climate he can secure the services of a new employee for less than Blagsta is asking for he will wave goodbye to Blagsta and employee a cheaper worker, Supply and demand. QE fucking D
You've appropriated the words from an academic subject. But you have clearly never actually studied the subject that you are riding on the coat tails of.

If you had, you would know that the market for labour is qualitatively completely different to the market for goods. There are at least two reasons why: constraints and contracts. Essentially, the things that make up Blagsta's responses to you date.

Yes, there is a supply mechanism operating in the marketplace, but it is the supply of a single indivisible and unique individual on a long term contract with no ready comparitor. And yes, there is a demand mechanism. But that demand is fluid and highly constrained. If you think you understand it by simply parrotting "supply and demand" then you have a lot to learn.

Start with taking the real world -- the world that involves rules, contracts and human constraints, such as frictional costs that are extreme when it comes to labour (one of many fundamental differences to the market in goods) and move from that to the model of the marketplace. Don't make the ludic fallacy (of which you are guilty) of starting with the model and assuming that reality must fit it.

The long-term contractual wage-worth of an individual is complicated and has a lot more study devoted to it than can be summarised by the simplistic reductionism of your post above.

(And if you don't believe me, I challenge you to build the mathematical model of your simplistic approach and run it through an economic model and see how well it copes with the real world. And if you *can't* to this, you have no business telling those who can what constitutes the right economic model for this purpose, because it means you really don't have a clue how supply and demand actually works in the real world at all and are just using the words because you think that makes you clever)
 
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