Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Indeed. Seeing as the service manager seems to have it in for me and changed the goal posts at my last appraisal, I didn't stand a chance of getting the measly £300 on offer.
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Indeed. Seeing as the service manager seems to have it in for me and changed the goal posts at my last appraisal, I didn't stand a chance of getting the measly £300 on offer.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Demotivating ain't it. The best thought out system is still vulnerable to its weakest link - the people using it.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Chelsea FC= Employer, you are Joe Cole
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Don't be silly.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
fing is, as i understand it, the government wants to bring in laws that would force your company to carry out an audit to identify any gender=related discrepancies in terms of pay and ensure that disparities don't occur. but you would only have that right if you felt the discrepancy was cos you were a woman or from an ethnic minority. no mention of disability at all from what i saw. and no mention of how to deal with something like you're experiencing.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Equal Pay audits have been around for a while, as have Equal Pay Questionnaires. The proposed Single Equalities Act legislation might try and address some of the ongoing difficulties of making Equal Pay claims and bring the whole issue of Equal Pay more into the spotlight - that's just one aspect of it. After all, it's been 38 years since the Equal Pay Act came into force and even now there's still a differential of about 16% between male and female salaries (on average).
The raft of anti-discrimination legislation is designed to help protect those more vulnerable to discriminatory practices ... but it works in reverse too i.e. if a man is being discriminated against he can make a claim under the Equal Pay Act and/or Sex Discrimination Act.
The raft of anti-discrimination legislation is designed to help protect those more vulnerable to discriminatory practices ... but it works in reverse too i.e. if a man is being discriminated against he can make a claim under the Equal Pay Act and/or Sex Discrimination Act.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
fair enuff ces. was posting on a half-arsed basis anyway. time for bed methinks, nn 
Just to summarise, to check I have things right: there are 3 of you. you get paid least. one is more qualified, so your employer would probably be able to give this as a reason to pay them more. you and the other colleague are the same level of qualifications, you've been there longer but she's paid more? so she's your direct comparator?
I'd start informally, tell the relvent person you've discovered the discrepancy and you don't understand the reason for it and ask why this is the case. If they can't give a good reason then raise a grievance. Make it clear to them that you believe you are equivalent and hence should be paid the same.
if there's a difference then no harm really in threatening equal pay legislation, but if it's just comparing between the 2 of you may be tricky. eg. in my last job i got paid quite a bit more than one of my colleagues. we were the same level of experience and qualifications. i am female he was male. he was shocked when he found out i got paid more, but the reason for the difference is i had expected more when i started so asked for more. he had lower expectations and hence the amount he asked for was less than i actually accepted. I'm not suggesting this is what has happened in your case, but if an employer is not bound by agreed pay structures i'm sure most will pay as little as they can.
finally - i agree see your union and get them involved.
I'd start informally, tell the relvent person you've discovered the discrepancy and you don't understand the reason for it and ask why this is the case. If they can't give a good reason then raise a grievance. Make it clear to them that you believe you are equivalent and hence should be paid the same.
if there's a difference then no harm really in threatening equal pay legislation, but if it's just comparing between the 2 of you may be tricky. eg. in my last job i got paid quite a bit more than one of my colleagues. we were the same level of experience and qualifications. i am female he was male. he was shocked when he found out i got paid more, but the reason for the difference is i had expected more when i started so asked for more. he had lower expectations and hence the amount he asked for was less than i actually accepted. I'm not suggesting this is what has happened in your case, but if an employer is not bound by agreed pay structures i'm sure most will pay as little as they can.
finally - i agree see your union and get them involved.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
So if everybody has to fight for the best they can get, why the fuck are you telling Blagsta not to fight for the best that he can get?
Even by your own stupid example, he is doing the exact right thing in identifying that his market worth exceeds his current pay and trying to do something about it.
I hate it when people try to pretend they understand economics and then don't actually follow through their own reasoning to its logical conclusion.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
then again stop working so hard
weve just been told at work that we have to arrive five minutes early so we can read up on memos/security info/general stuff before our shift starts. they wont pay us for it, so they can bugger off. i dont go to work not to get paid.
Count your self lucky you aint working at our place.
Callie
Pivoting
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I'd make an effort to resolve this informally. If not then fuck off and get another job. Its a balance really do you want the stress of trying to get back this money even if its going to be really difficult? Do you want this grief to affect and spill over into other areas of your life? Remember you will have to work with these people even if you win and you boss will be watching you like a hawk to see if you put a foot wrong so that they can get rid of you.
Might be easier to find a new job.
Ha ha ha ha ha. Waste of time.
Might be easier to find a new job.
Ha ha ha ha ha. Waste of time.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Now that's the kind of attitude guaranteed to win over the hearts and minds of potential union members.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Its just being realistic.
When you challenge an employer you've got to look at the pros and cons. Can you afford the grief for example and what is the reputation of your union. If you are in a place where the unions are good and are freely supported by a majority of staff then they have a chance.
zenie
>^^<
Its just being realistic.
When you challenge an employer you've got to look at the pros and cons. Can you afford the grief for example and what is the reputation of your union. If you are in a place where the unions are good and are freely supported by a majority of staff then they have a chance.
Fuckin hell KBJ, you're such a pessimist, I swear you just come on threads to bring doom and gloom of your own employment situation onto others.
I imagine Blagsta isn't in the same union as he is he? So why even bring up yours, it's totally irrelevent and not helpful. People coming out with 'unions never done nothing for us' don't help the situation, they just drag it down. Or do you just want people not to be in unions?
Hope you get what you want Blagsta, no-one should have to fight for equal pay man or woman. Do you think it'd be backdated too?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Its just being realistic.
When you challenge an employer you've got to look at the pros and cons. Can you afford the grief for example and what is the reputation of your union. If you are in a place where the unions are good and are freely supported by a majority of staff then they have a chance.
To me, it comes across as a curious combination of defeatism tinged with cynicism rather than realism.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
I would actaully advise everybody to keep a close eye on their recruitment market, however happy they are in their job. And go for interviews every few years, just to keep your hand in and to know what you are worth if you wanted to move.
Your work might be excellent now, but a lot can change in 12 months. There's no harm in having an escape plan.
In Blagsta's particular case, however, there is no need for immediate drastic action. There is certainly no great rush. He can make his decisions at the time he chooses, not because he has to. For now, I don't see what is wrong with bringing the discrepancy to the attention of the management and asking them to justify it. Then play it from there depending on how that goes.
Your work might be excellent now, but a lot can change in 12 months. There's no harm in having an escape plan.
In Blagsta's particular case, however, there is no need for immediate drastic action. There is certainly no great rush. He can make his decisions at the time he chooses, not because he has to. For now, I don't see what is wrong with bringing the discrepancy to the attention of the management and asking them to justify it. Then play it from there depending on how that goes.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
The message of "move on" is also bizarrely inconsistent with this thread, in which he is complaining about having to do extra work and not being paid enough for it, yet feels that *he* can't move jobs.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I hope Blagsta gets what he wants. From what I understand he deserves it.
I'm just saying be realistic about a situation. Don't put yourself in a position where you can't win.
If you have backing fine then go for it if not fuck off and get a new job. I've given up fighting so I'm going to look for a new job.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
The message of "move on" is also bizarrely inconsistent with this thread, in which he is complaining about having to do extra work and not being paid enough for it, yet feels that *he* can't move jobs.
Yes, I saw that. Also the inconsistent 'they can't do without me' v concern about being selected for redundancy.
KBJ, entirely up to you of course, but if you're planning on staying involved with union activism you might want to think about the confusing messages that are coming across.
zenie
>^^<
How would you not win a sexual discrimination case based on unequal pay?
Don't throw your own shit in the fan when someone's trying to get help, you've got you're own thread innit.I hope you find something more positive for you.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
How would you not win a sexual discrimination case based on unequal pay?
I hope you find something more positive for you.
I was just conselling the person to be realistic. Not 'throwing your own shit' as you put it.
Alright heres my advice. Fight it but get advice and don't be afriaid to back down and look elsewhere if things look like going pear shaped.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Oh fuck off you tory twat
Grego Morales
New Member
I've just completed 6 months temp work for the NHS for which I was paid the equivalent of c.14,000pa. My permanent colleagues, who had almost exactly the same duties and responsibilities, were all paid over 20,000pa. It was demoralizing, demotivating, and left me feeling pretty worthless to be honest.
Needless to say, I'm currently looking for permanent work and hopefully will never, ever have to do temp work again.
Needless to say, I'm currently looking for permanent work and hopefully will never, ever have to do temp work again.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
I dont see how my example was stupid, it illustarted that not all employees are paid the same salary by their employer and that even new employees can earn more than longer standing employees.
Blagsta is employed and is paid a wage. His employer no doubt feels that he is paid the market rate because he is doing the job for the renumeration on offer. If Blagsta secures a higher paid job then he will have a valid argument that he is worth more money in the market and a payrise is likely to be forthcoming if his employer values him enough to want to keep him. If his employer thinks that in the current economic climate he can secure the services of a new employee for less than Blagsta is asking for he will wave goodbye to Blagsta and employee a cheaper worker, Supply and demand. QE fucking D
trashpony
Hag
Well that's what I thought. Where I work also has pay scales but the bands are as wide as Rhossili beach. A competency pay scale should be related to competencies though. I would ask what competencies you don't have that the other people do.
All organisations (IMO) rely on the British being totally mealy mouthed about what we earn and not telling any one else. No other country is quite as shy as we are when it comes to earning (IME)
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Just the real one, if you dont think life is like that I am afraid ya gonn ahave a few shocks coming your way!
Atleast someone recognises something of the world I live in.
