Unemployment Movement
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just erm as you do? and what is the problem with anarchism come on then debate? no you never attacked me erm paranoid twat another debate?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
No Moz, I post my own thoughts, rather than cutting and pasting someone elses.
Which "anarchism"? Yours? Mine? Piotr Arshinov's?
Learn to read, there's a good boy.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Well, "marketing" it is the great difficulty, isn't it?
As I see it, it's got to be organic, growing in areas that are worst affected, rather than being "transplanted" a la the Swappie-type operation of just turning up somewhere and handing out flyers, and that's where the difficulty lies. How do you build what really has to be a "grass roots" movement without imposing some kind of "line" for people to measure up to? M, I don't have any immediate answers, except that perhaps something along the line of the old "town meeting" format might work: Hand out fliers to people using the dole office telling them about a time and a place where they can air their grievances about the dole, and see what happens.
I can tell you this for nothing though. If you go into this with a pre-set agenda you're likely to get run out of town pretty quickly, because people don't like to feel as if they're being used.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
now he's 43 there's scant chance of that old dog learning new tricks.
learn to fuck off there's a good boy read the pm:
ha 43 guess you need an education aint it oh attack someone cause he erm might not be abel to read now who is being scum?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Well, as I said earlier, I reckon some kind of federated structure would be the "best" choice if you're going for a movement. That way you don't have to have the imposition of a central platform, and you don't have the problems inherent to a coalition (i.e. one participant attempting to over-shadow or edge out the others).
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
no, it's not attack someone cos he may not be able to read.
Forwarded from Wirral Health and Safety Welfare Centre
Bob Archer,
Press and Website Officer,
National Shop Stewards Network
--------------------------------
WIRRAL HEALTH AND SAFETY WELFARE CENTRE
GAIL HOUSE 4 ST. ANNE STREET
BIRKENHEAD WIRRAL
L41 3SU
EMAIL: [email protected]
Tel: 0151 666 1999
www.salforducrc.co.uk
12th August 2009
Launch Of Union For Unemployed
The official unemployed figures released today show that 2.44 million people
are now unemployed in Britain. This is the highest number in over 15 years.
The Wirral H & S Centre has decided to set up an Unemployed Workers Movement in
Merseyside, with the launch meeting being held on Thursday 27th August at 2pm
at the Wirral health and Safety Welfare Centre, 4 St Anne St. Birkenhead
Wirral.
The meeting is open to all unemployed people and is a local attempt to create a
voice & representation for unemployed people, and a campaign for free training
and jobs at a proper rate of pay.
The meeting organiser, Alec McFadden, company secretary of the Wirral Centre
said “in Merseyside unemployment has increased by 54 percent in the past 12
months and is now standing at 57,340 or 6.15 percent. So is 2 percent above the
national average which is 4.1 percent.
The level of benefit, Jobseekers Allowance is only £64.30 per week which is
clearly not enough to live on. The effects of the recession are now starting to
have a detrimental effect on people, families and communities.
• Over 1 million young people 16-25 unemployed.
• Increase in Homelessness & House Repossession.
• Increase in Alcoholism & Addiction
• Increase in Family Stress & Breakdown
• Increase in Domestic Violence
• Increase in Crime.
• (according to The Audit Commission 12/08/09)
This situation will only get worse unless more focused Government action is
taken with saving manufacturing jobs a priority. Too many employers are going
into liquidation, closing down & sacking all their workers
The Government could nationalise these workplaces, (like they nationalised the
banks) save jobs and tackle youth unemployment by increasing youth training and
apprenticeship schemes.
The Financial Services Authority (F.S.A) has funded a special money guidance
project which the Wirral Centre is part of, providing free guidance on:
Mortgages ● Borrowing ● Credit ● Savings ● Investment ●
Insurance● Pensions ● Budgeting
But much more could be done by involving Local Authorities in this type of
work.
Alec concluded “Who would have believed that the 21st Century would see the
return of
Unemployed Workers Organisations, which were so active and necessary in the
1930’s when Unemployment reached record levels. Nobody in modern Britain
either speaks or represents
The unemployed or their families, so the centre will create the first
Unemployed Workers
Union of the 21st Century on Thursday 27th August 2009.
For Further Information
Please Contact
Alec McFadden on
0151 666 1999 or 07831 627531
Bob Archer,
Press and Website Officer,
National Shop Stewards Network
--------------------------------
WIRRAL HEALTH AND SAFETY WELFARE CENTRE
GAIL HOUSE 4 ST. ANNE STREET
BIRKENHEAD WIRRAL
L41 3SU
EMAIL: [email protected]
Tel: 0151 666 1999
www.salforducrc.co.uk
12th August 2009
Launch Of Union For Unemployed
The official unemployed figures released today show that 2.44 million people
are now unemployed in Britain. This is the highest number in over 15 years.
The Wirral H & S Centre has decided to set up an Unemployed Workers Movement in
Merseyside, with the launch meeting being held on Thursday 27th August at 2pm
at the Wirral health and Safety Welfare Centre, 4 St Anne St. Birkenhead
Wirral.
The meeting is open to all unemployed people and is a local attempt to create a
voice & representation for unemployed people, and a campaign for free training
and jobs at a proper rate of pay.
The meeting organiser, Alec McFadden, company secretary of the Wirral Centre
said “in Merseyside unemployment has increased by 54 percent in the past 12
months and is now standing at 57,340 or 6.15 percent. So is 2 percent above the
national average which is 4.1 percent.
The level of benefit, Jobseekers Allowance is only £64.30 per week which is
clearly not enough to live on. The effects of the recession are now starting to
have a detrimental effect on people, families and communities.
• Over 1 million young people 16-25 unemployed.
• Increase in Homelessness & House Repossession.
• Increase in Alcoholism & Addiction
• Increase in Family Stress & Breakdown
• Increase in Domestic Violence
• Increase in Crime.
• (according to The Audit Commission 12/08/09)
This situation will only get worse unless more focused Government action is
taken with saving manufacturing jobs a priority. Too many employers are going
into liquidation, closing down & sacking all their workers
The Government could nationalise these workplaces, (like they nationalised the
banks) save jobs and tackle youth unemployment by increasing youth training and
apprenticeship schemes.
The Financial Services Authority (F.S.A) has funded a special money guidance
project which the Wirral Centre is part of, providing free guidance on:
Mortgages ● Borrowing ● Credit ● Savings ● Investment ●
Insurance● Pensions ● Budgeting
But much more could be done by involving Local Authorities in this type of
work.
Alec concluded “Who would have believed that the 21st Century would see the
return of
Unemployed Workers Organisations, which were so active and necessary in the
1930’s when Unemployment reached record levels. Nobody in modern Britain
either speaks or represents
The unemployed or their families, so the centre will create the first
Unemployed Workers
Union of the 21st Century on Thursday 27th August 2009.
For Further Information
Please Contact
Alec McFadden on
0151 666 1999 or 07831 627531
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
yes, and it's you.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That'd be you, as you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, you dolt.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The idea is that people do what hey can within their own communities and locales.
Not that I expect you to grasp that. You're too busy believing the worst of people to be able to deal with such concepts.
terratech
Active Member
Hiya ViolentPanda.... I do not beleive that anyone here would denagrate any organisation helping the the invidual or community at this time. But I think to take existing agencies from a community centre and repackage them as something new the Union is doing is just sick, misleading, the worst politics this country can come up with.
Now lets look at the money they will be receiving and whose pockets its going into. I guess it will be freinds and union cohorts that will benefit from a years subsidised wage so they can advise on how well the union will look after the working people, as this is all a Union can do it is there mandate, hence the emphasis on Training & Work placement.
This entrenchment reinforces the work ethic and the continuing sterotyping of the unemployed as scroungers and the vilification of those in poverty and does nothing for a Union that will become associated with contempt of those that it was supposed to help.
Now lets look at the money they will be receiving and whose pockets its going into. I guess it will be freinds and union cohorts that will benefit from a years subsidised wage so they can advise on how well the union will look after the working people, as this is all a Union can do it is there mandate, hence the emphasis on Training & Work placement.
This entrenchment reinforces the work ethic and the continuing sterotyping of the unemployed as scroungers and the vilification of those in poverty and does nothing for a Union that will become associated with contempt of those that it was supposed to help.
It does seem like a retread of the 1980's Unemployed Workers Centres which while doing some good work, were very tightly controlled, often by members of the New Communist Party (NCP) and did provide paid sinecures for union people, friends, and etc and particularly in the later stages weren't very effective, many also became Blairite 'training and work' enterprises. Mcfadden ran one on the Wirral I think
Forwarded from the Salford Unemployed Workers' Union
Bob Archer,
Press and Website Officer,
National Shop Stewards Network
----------------------------------------------------------
******FWD THIS EMAIL AS FAR AS POSSIBLE******
******WE NEED UNEMPLOYED EVERYWHERE******
****** FWD - FWD - FWD - FWD - FWD - FWD ******
Unemployed Workers Union UWU
Progress…
A union of the Unemployed has been formed in Salford, a second branch has already opened in Merseyside. A number of other activists have expressed a desire to form Branches in East Anglia, Nottinghamshire, Plymouth, Portsmouth, London, Manchester, Wigan, West Midlands, Wales, Leeds, Strathclyde, Dublin and Cork.
We intend to form a Mass Union for all Unemployed people. We wish for each Branch to affiliate to the national body, though the union should be federalised, at least in its initial stages. We can’t have a top down approach. Those involved in Salford have merely called the action, it is for others to support it…
We propose a National Conference should be held for all interested parties and so we can begin the democratic organisation of this Union of the Unemployed.
Negotiations with other National Unions have begun. Offers of support and affiliation would be welcomed. Its too long that the Unemployed have gone without proper Representation…
The fee for an Unemployed Worker to join the Union is £1 for membership fee and a 10p monthly sub. The Union is open for workers to join at a cost of £5 per month.
The UWU is not conventional in the sense of a standard Industrial Union and legally must not be treated as such. We aim to build Solidarity between Workers and the Unemployed. We also seek proper representation and the right to work for all unemployed people.
We are currently working on Provisional systems of running and expanding the organisation. We need your participation.
Public Appeal
We need as many Trade Union affiliations and donations. If you are in a Union then please could you affiliate your Branch to the Unemployed Workers Union. We also need volunteers in every corner of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Don’t Hesitate to get in touch.
If there are any existing local or regional groups of Unemployed then we would like to disscuss affiliation and cooperation between our organisation.
Also a very important request to PCS members is that we need Co-operation in Job Centres around the country. Many can be hostile! Please get in touch and we can work out a liaison system.
For more information Phone Alec Mcfadden on 07831627531 or email Alex Halligan at [email protected]
A Charter for Unemployed has been drafted which includes.
· The Right to Work for All
· The National Minimum Wage of £8 per hour
· Free Transport for Unemployed
· Free Prescriptions
· Free Legal Advice
· Improved Welfare Benefits
· Unemployment Benefit 70% of New National Minimum Wage
· Abolition of Student Fees
· Mass Apprenticeship Scheme for All Young People
· Nationalisation of Companies going into Bankruptcy and Liquidation, this
would save jobs and stimulate the manufacturing industry
*****All information is subject to change, these are provisional documents only. Firm constitutional rules will only be put in place at National Conference*****
Bob Archer,
Press and Website Officer,
National Shop Stewards Network
----------------------------------------------------------
******FWD THIS EMAIL AS FAR AS POSSIBLE******
******WE NEED UNEMPLOYED EVERYWHERE******
****** FWD - FWD - FWD - FWD - FWD - FWD ******
Unemployed Workers Union UWU
Progress…
A union of the Unemployed has been formed in Salford, a second branch has already opened in Merseyside. A number of other activists have expressed a desire to form Branches in East Anglia, Nottinghamshire, Plymouth, Portsmouth, London, Manchester, Wigan, West Midlands, Wales, Leeds, Strathclyde, Dublin and Cork.
We intend to form a Mass Union for all Unemployed people. We wish for each Branch to affiliate to the national body, though the union should be federalised, at least in its initial stages. We can’t have a top down approach. Those involved in Salford have merely called the action, it is for others to support it…
We propose a National Conference should be held for all interested parties and so we can begin the democratic organisation of this Union of the Unemployed.
Negotiations with other National Unions have begun. Offers of support and affiliation would be welcomed. Its too long that the Unemployed have gone without proper Representation…
The fee for an Unemployed Worker to join the Union is £1 for membership fee and a 10p monthly sub. The Union is open for workers to join at a cost of £5 per month.
The UWU is not conventional in the sense of a standard Industrial Union and legally must not be treated as such. We aim to build Solidarity between Workers and the Unemployed. We also seek proper representation and the right to work for all unemployed people.
We are currently working on Provisional systems of running and expanding the organisation. We need your participation.
Public Appeal
We need as many Trade Union affiliations and donations. If you are in a Union then please could you affiliate your Branch to the Unemployed Workers Union. We also need volunteers in every corner of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Don’t Hesitate to get in touch.
If there are any existing local or regional groups of Unemployed then we would like to disscuss affiliation and cooperation between our organisation.
Also a very important request to PCS members is that we need Co-operation in Job Centres around the country. Many can be hostile! Please get in touch and we can work out a liaison system.
For more information Phone Alec Mcfadden on 07831627531 or email Alex Halligan at [email protected]
A Charter for Unemployed has been drafted which includes.
· The Right to Work for All
· The National Minimum Wage of £8 per hour
· Free Transport for Unemployed
· Free Prescriptions
· Free Legal Advice
· Improved Welfare Benefits
· Unemployment Benefit 70% of New National Minimum Wage
· Abolition of Student Fees
· Mass Apprenticeship Scheme for All Young People
· Nationalisation of Companies going into Bankruptcy and Liquidation, this
would save jobs and stimulate the manufacturing industry
*****All information is subject to change, these are provisional documents only. Firm constitutional rules will only be put in place at National Conference*****
all sounds good .. any ideas of if anyone behind this politically? guessing is this alec mcfadden Merseyside TUC ( http://randompottins.blogspot.com/2006/05/knife-attack-on-merseyside-trade.html )
and alex halligan LRC etc ( http://alexhalligan.blogspot.com/ )
and alex halligan LRC etc ( http://alexhalligan.blogspot.com/ )
With provisos, this is a very important development, something has been neccesary to challenge the brutalities and absurdities of the New Deal, the exploitative training agencies, the dracononian welfare reforms.
can I suggest this thread is moved out of the gloom of protest to the bright lights of UK politics where I think it may get more coverage.
can I suggest this thread is moved out of the gloom of protest to the bright lights of UK politics where I think it may get more coverage.
grit
an ugly force for good
I've read this whole thread with great interest as a new arrival to the UK I really want to learn about the society as a whole.
This is a bit of a de-rail so apologies but would anybody be so kind as to explain to me why the unemployed feel they are getting such a bad deal?
This is a bit of a de-rail so apologies but would anybody be so kind as to explain to me why the unemployed feel they are getting such a bad deal?
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