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I started reading the OP and within 3 lines all I could see was

'It's not as good as it used to be...the kids don't have eclectic tastes anymore...dance music's been killed by corporations (which one's I have no idea but it's an easy whinge isn't it?)...all these kids like is 4/4 house and trance...old fart...blah..whinge...moan...all this used to be fields...you could leave your frontdoor open and a 32" plasma screen TV on yr garden and no one would nick it when I was a lad...blitz spirit...vera lynn...ACHTUNG TOMMY!!!...'

Milesy - I always thought that prog house was comprised of very long tunes that go UP then go down, have a nice long breakdown in the middle then do the same thing. IME some of the tracks are the most beautifully structured pieces of dance music ever, others are so deathly tedious you want to kill someone.

For a good selection I'd suggest 'Intensify' by Way Out West, 'Renaissance MIx Collection Vol II' and a Mixmag mix CD called 'Ibiza Nightlife'.
 
i always thought stuff like underworld "dubnobass.." and stuff like leftfield's "song for life" were prog house....but maybe i'm wrong. i've definatley heard them referred to as prog house though.

anyway - pigeon holes are for breadheads, maaaaaaaaaaaaaan :mad:
 
kyser_soze said:
I started reading the OP and within 3 lines all I could see was

'It's not as good as it used to be...the kids don't have eclectic tastes anymore...dance music's been killed by corporations (which one's I have no idea but it's an easy whinge isn't it?)...all these kids like is 4/4 house and trance...old fart...blah..whinge...moan...all this used to be fields...you could leave your frontdoor open and a 32" plasma screen TV on yr garden and no one would nick it when I was a lad...blitz spirit...vera lynn...ACHTUNG TOMMY!!!...'

Milesy - I always thought that prog house was comprised of very long tunes that go UP then go down, have a nice long breakdown in the middle then do the same thing. IME some of the tracks are the most beautifully structured pieces of dance music ever, others are so deathly tedious you want to kill someone.

For a good selection I'd suggest 'Intensify' by Way Out West, 'Renaissance MIx Collection Vol II' and a Mixmag mix CD called 'Ibiza Nightlife'.
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Don't forget to wear leather jeans and no shirt (or alternatively one of those leather waistcoats with loads of pockets on it).
 
milesy said:
anyway foo, do you agree or disagree with brucepig?
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erm...


dunno.


i didn't get beyond the first paragraph, he's written too many words.


is the answer 'trance is shite'? :)
 
I've got some (imo) really good progressive stuff in my collection. Most progressive's rubbish but there's some really unusual, strong stuff out there if you look. As I've already said, you shouldn't write off whole genres (though admittedly with trance it's tempting...)
 
But it was always what the older generation said about the music, particularly electronic music, "It all sounds the same.." And I said it too, until I heard it properly, and took some drugs.

And it does, in a way, all sound the same, unless you use your imagination, or someone else does.

I was at a great party in 1999 on the ridgeway, the Secret's wedding party.
And I heard a track I've never heard since. Some of the meanest acid techno I ever heard, recorded at a big party, and this bloke on a microphone, saying come on people, we need all your power to transform the tunes, and this massive cheer, adn then these horrible needles in the music, starting to drip divine juice and dissolve, and then, Wow.

I think it's great if you know how to transform it. The problem is the real creators of divine music, don't get paid or even appreciated for what they do.
 
brucepig said:
Sorry its a long rant, but bae with me. I have been involved in dance music since the 1980's from electro, acid house, baleric beats all the way up to hardcore. The music back then was eclectic, in a house night you could hear squelchy dirty acid, soulful Detroit techno, hip house or piano laden vocal driven house with James Brown beats.

In the mid 90's the corporations took over and superstar dj's introduced a homoginised sound, everything was basic 4x4 building up a cerebral wall of sound. Every record sounded the same whether it was hard house or trance.

You never hear people coming out of a hard house or trance night with a desire to buy this tune or that tune, running down the record shops and making a fool out of themselves trying to sing a piano riff or funky beat to an amused but knowledgable staff member.

It seems to me that these nights are not so much abouth the music, the commercial club nights are about wearing the right clothes, being glamorous, getting a shag and maybe rubbing shoulders with a b list celeb.

The more underground trance/gabba driven nights are about a drug fuelled experience, not a music lead experience where drugs enhance youre musical experience. You can see it in the types of drugs that are taken in these nights, ketomine instead of MDMA.

Drugs are fun but without the musical journey which takes you up and down, makes you smile or gnash youre teeth I think the whole experience is passionless and bland.

Of course this will upset some of the trance heads on the forums and my views are just that mine.

Music and musical preferance is a personal thing but the commercial scene and the underground trance culture I find are both lacking of the musical diversity, freedom and creativity that the underground raves that spawned them had.

Both trance and hard house are very fashistic and totalitarian sounds, its trance all night every night. No room for a vocal or a funky beat.

In the past few years a new vibe is rising where house, funk, soul, jazz, electro, reggae and hip hop are meeting. There are hardcore dancefloor stompers mashed together with raw funk, squelchy basslines and uplifting floaty blissful electronica. No tune is the same you leave the party remebering how this tune blew youre mind or that tune made the whole gaff stomp tribal style. It's all the in one scene just like the old days.

Call it what you like broken beats, nu-jazz, nu soul, zero bling hip hop whatever (maybe this is the problem with the new style it doesent have a pigoen hole yet).

But artists like Bugz in The Attic, Jazzanova, Quantic, Freddie Kruger, Alice Russel, 4 Hero, Fat Freddys Drop, Jamie Liddel, Seiji etc etc they are all recapturing the danceble creativity that thrived in the early days of raving.

In Britain we have a growing scene with festivals like the Big Chill and nights like Co-Op championing this sound.

My problem is that trance and hard house seems to have crushed peoples abilities to hear diversity, to want musical exploration. So many crowds just want to hear the same old stuff played over and over.

I have recently arrived back from Asia and there are many raves in India and Thailand but they are excusively trance trance trance and more trance. No room for anything that cant be squeezed into that monotonous pidgeon hole.

So at the moment I think a fantastic new underground scene is being swamped by an all encompasing underground scene that lacks imagination and musical soul.

These are just my ideas and I'm venting a certain amount of frustration about the lack of enthusiasm that so called ravers have for anything that doesnt fall into the trance/gabba, hard house or Euro techno sound.

Discuss
:)
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:cool: excellent post tank girl , ur pretty much spot on.... 4 x 4 beat got so boring so long ago no matter what speed its played at , i suppose when the crimnal justice bill was trying to ban repetetive beats , they were only trying to get us to listen to decent moosic ........ ;)
 
I actually like going to a club to hear a specific type of music. I sometimes find (not always) that dj's who play a wide range of styles tend to play the shit tracks from each genre; i also think that a lot of tunes that mix styles are rubbish due to the fact the producer has no real knowledge of any one style.
 
Well spotted young milesy. Dance music is nearly always 4/4, whatever speed, style or genre it's in.

I came up with this phrase once - "the tyranny of eclecticism". I like it. I think that some people need to be obsessively into certain types of music in order to move it forward, or to develop it first so that other people can then build something useful from that deeper starting point. imo if everybody was eclectic all the time, music would suffer an immense dilution of power and depth. If musical culture is made from spices, we need the spices to be as pure as possible for the best flavours.
 
milesy said:
so what do you always listen to? waltz? :confused:
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anything with a broken beat really , , maybe when i said 4 x 4 is should have just said a repetitive thud thud thud thud etc so that everybody could understand what i was talking about :rolleyes: :p :)

and waltz is damn fine too!!!!
 
hitechlolife said:
I actually like going to a club to hear a specific type of music. I sometimes find (not always) that dj's who play a wide range of styles tend to play the shit tracks from each genre; i also think that a lot of tunes that mix styles are rubbish due to the fact the producer has no real knowledge of any one style.
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:cool:
 
ruffneck23 said:
:cool: excellent post tank girl , ur pretty much spot on.... 4 x 4 beat got so boring so long ago no matter what speed its played at , i suppose when the crimnal justice bill was trying to ban repetetive beats , they were only trying to get us to listen to decent moosic ........ ;)
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I only think 4 / 4 beats are boring if the tune is built around the beat, a lot of good techno will use a subtle 4 / 4 beat simply to drive the tune along but the melodies & fx are what the track is really about.
 
hitechlolife said:
I only think 4 / 4 beats are boring if the tune is built around the beat, a lot of good techno will use a subtle 4 / 4 beat simply to drive the tune along but the melodies & fx are what the track is really about.
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each to thier own , dont get me wrong i used to love techno , gabba , house and trance ( around 88 - 95 ) but i just got bored with it , still some of my favourite records inc Energy Flash by joey Beltram , De Famille de Klaang ( sp?) ,The Speedfreak Ep and voodoo ray by g.c.g which are all 4/4 (as what i was talking about in that post earlier ) but hearing thats sort of beat now just sends me running for the hills :)
 
It's Die Klang die Famillie IIRC but we'll let that pass...:p

So what do you listen to for kicks these days ruffneck?
 
hitechlolife said:
I only think 4 / 4 beats are boring if the tune is built around the beat, a lot of good techno will use a subtle 4 / 4 beat simply to drive the tune along but the melodies & fx are what the track is really about.
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Yeah and quite often the kick drum ends up on the off beat.
 
ruffneck23 said:
each to thier own , dont get me wrong i used to love techno , gabba , house and trance ( around 88 - 95 ) but i just got bored with it , still some of my favourite records inc Energy Flash by joey Beltram , De Famille de Klaang ( sp?) ,The Speedfreak Ep and voodoo ray by g.c.g which are all 4/4 (as what i was talking about in that post earlier ) but hearing thats sort of beat now just sends me running for the hills :)
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Joey beltram Energy Flash, Voodoo Ray, Jesus Loves Acid, Analogue Bubblegum Aphex Twin now thats my type of techno
 
I normally bang out intricate little patterns on the cowbell if I find the beat uninspiring .. I do this no matter what the genre. I know every genre there is except three and the reason I know them is because i WANTED TO LEARN WHAT THEY WERE BECUASE THEY ARE COMPLETELY FUCKIN DIFFERENT .. Cap locks Urban .. Jeeeeeeeeeez :rolleyes:
I love every fucking one of them me .. some more than others of course but I love trance and fucking garage, gabba , acid techno
There is also no way that anything from anywhere near the old days sounded even fucking remotely like any top drawer breaks, d n b , techno , proper fucking house blah blah etc .. not fucking likely so that's it .. there you have it
I don't use wufter as a derogatory gay word BTW but you aren't to know that so apologies
It's lonely sometimes on the mean streets of Detroit
<squints> :cool:

I don't <--- :mad: (edit .. ?) :mad:
 
brucepig said:
Joey beltram Energy Flash, Voodoo Ray, Jesus Loves Acid, Analogue Bubblegum Aphex Twin now thats my type of techno
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It's fuckin toilet .. that's it :cool:
Aphex Twin <---- toilet
wUFTER CISSY MUSIC

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ :mad:
 
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