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Undercover policing enquiry

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by teqniq, Oct 8, 2015.

  1. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Yeah I think it's a mug's game, obviously - just wondering whether they did in fact appeal to some kind of "heroic" capacity within him or whether they had some dirt on him for leverage.
     
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  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    Reckon they must have had some dirt to piss him about with the money
     
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  3. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    Interesting that they have in this instance decided to use rather than one of their own, a private individual. Unlike the times they have infiltrated groups on the left of the political spectrum.
     
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  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    Unlike the times we know about.
     
  5. DaveCinzano

    DaveCinzano WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!

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  6. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    :D classic
    good work that bristly fellow!
     
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  7. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Hmmmmmm:


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    a. Why is one group blacked out? (Or it could be two groups with very short names I guess :)). Is it because they are still around?
    b. Does this mean that UCOs who infiltrated other groups are not at physical risk? (And so all their details should be made available?)

    Probably worth sticking this in the Beating The Fascists thread. (ETA: done)
     
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  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    One clearly antifa
     
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  9. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I did wonder if it might be Class War but I suspect that is too many characters.

    This is a bit like the missing words round in "Have I Got News For You".
     
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  10. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    If it was a question on only connect then antifa would go much better with red action and AFA than cw would
     
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  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    Reckon extreme right is national front (or British movement)
     
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  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    But the Irish groups a puzzle. Could be isrp but they barely organise in England. Could be Wolfe Tone Society. But says groups... Connolly Society?
     
  13. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    Helen Steel did a great session update on all this at the GG. Made me tearful.
     
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  14. DaveCinzano

    DaveCinzano WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!

    My initial suspicion was that the group name(s) might be blacked out because it has not been bandied around as having been a target/potential target in the same way as those not blacked out have been.
     
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  15. copliker

    copliker ...

    32CSM
     
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  16. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

  17. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    Yeh: but it says (5.1) Irish support groups so I thought more the wts or cairde shinn feins of this world rather than 32csm.
     
  18. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper It's a complicated world innit.

    Nope, they use both paid informants and undercover police (both short and long term) in the left and right.
     
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  19. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    wrong thread :facepalm:
     
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  20. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    same :rolleyes:
     
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  21. DaveCinzano

    DaveCinzano WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!

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  22. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  23. DaveCinzano

    DaveCinzano WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!

    Met now sending legal rottweilers after Helen Steel demanding £7k in legal costs for daring to face up to the organisation that sent a spycop into her life!

     

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  24. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  25. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    who is demanding the money? It's not a court approved bill is it? The mets solicitors trying it on?
     
  26. Streathamite

    Streathamite ideological dogmatist

    The latter, I think, or possibly some dibble recently promoted to quite a high level, and trying to make a quick reputation.
    And Helen will tell them to fuck off. I know her, and the whole mclibel thing gave her balls of steel
     
  27. DaveCinzano

    DaveCinzano WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!

    The costs order relates to the case fought by Helen Steel (targeted by John Dines), Belinda Harvey (targeted by Bob Lambert), ‘Alison’ (targeted by Mark Jenner), ‘Penny’/‘Ruth’ and ‘Rosa’ (both targeted by Jim Boyling). Mr Justice Bean handed down his judgment in July 2014. In it the Met's stance was entirely “we neither confirm nor deny that ‘x’ was a police officer, but even if ‘x’ was a police officer it was a long time ago and, like, she can't prove nuffink, guv.”

    In his judgment Mr Justice Bean noted how MPS and its lawyers had failed to properly and transparently lay out its full defence of the claims laid before it. His judgment also dismantled the claimed blanket defence of NCND; “I do not accept that there is now, in 2014, any legitimate public interest entitling the Commissioner to maintain the stance of NCND in respect of this general allegation...I therefore rule that the defendant cannot rely on NCND to avoid answering the general allegation to which I have referred above.” In other words, it was this case which undermined the very defences of Citadel Spycop: Bean brushed aside the Met's objections, and formally accepted that Boyling and Lambert had been “Jim Sutton” and “Bob Robinson”, Metroplitan Police officers sent out to infiltrate themselves into the lives of political activists and others, regardless of criminal activity.

    Whilst he upheld NCND in the cases of “John Barker” (Dines) and “Mark Cassidy” (Jenner), the world has moved on since then - Helen Steel was able to dramatically confront John Dines and elicit a confession from him, and the circumstantial case against Jenner is ever more compelling and overwhelming.
     
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  28. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    pure intimidation then. Cuntish behaviour of the highest order. She is a legend and thank god for women like her prepared to fight and fight again and again. It's a massive burden.
     
  29. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato T'agba ta ti de, a ma yo ogunja.

    No, no I'm not. My comment was somewhat flippant, and was a 'general' comment, rather than in the context of this specific subject.

    It is not acceptable for people to form relationships, and indeed have children, with an individual who was using them as a means of access to a group.

    If the matters were real threats to the realm, then maybe different standards would apply, but this is chickenshit stuff, an irritation to authority, not a real threat to the security of the nation.
     
  30. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato T'agba ta ti de, a ma yo ogunja.

    Two reasons, firstly, they are necessary, secondly, in general they are not corrupt.

    Just think of the number of times on the boards, where the answer to someone's problem is, call the police.
     

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