Under Pressure

[muser]

lol.

if you can't take a bit of grief about how shit your music tastes are, you shouldn't bother talking about music...

fight your corner properly muser - writing off all criticism of the music you like as people being too 'cool' to like real music isn't an argument. and it makes you look like a petulant wanker.

I'm bored you see, so I don't mind being pedantic (especially in forums like this one, my poltical\science forum persona is completely different).
I have never stated (or implied) that my musical taste are on some plateau of virtuosity. It just that my taste aren't represented on here, and it quite varied and spans all genres. The 'CD player', 'lyric' and 'what is your favourite song and what it means to you' thread do justice to music and this forum, and where people dissect the lyrics, comment on how it touches them and more importantly why.
It seems that there are too many token gestures to bands, without the same enthusiasm of the aforementioned threads.
Can music be listened to without it evoking some emotion, arising some passion?

 

[Dubversion]

oh muser, bless you - why don't you write us a poem expressing the passions that arise from listening to the Stereophonics and we'll tell you what we think?

 

[muser]

oh, and muser - look harder, mate

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=183424

 

[Idaho]

Can music be listened to without it evoking some emotion, arising some passion?

Yeah - just slap Travis or The Lighthouse Family on - job done.

 

[Dubversion]

Can music be listened to without it evoking some emotion, arising some passion?

the music you like can

 

[ViolentPanda]

Music is music.
Who gives a monkey's cock whether person X disapproves of band Y, as long as YOU like 'em enough to have bought/downloaded some or all of their output?

Anyone insipid and spineless enough to shape their musical tastes to meet the approval of some imaginary clique deserves any shit that gets kicked at them.

Oh, and there's nothing controversial or shameful about liking Bowie and/or Queen. Being a fan-boy, perhaps. Liking some of their work, no way.

 

[Idaho]

Music is music.

Sorry you've lost me. Can we keep this thread simple and preferably cliched

 

[Dubversion]

Music is music.
Who gives a monkey's cock whether person X disapproves of band Y, as long as YOU like 'em enough to have bought/downloaded some or all of their output?

Anyone insipid and spineless enough to shape their musical tastes to meet the approval of some imaginary clique deserves any shit that gets kicked at them.

Oh, and there's nothing controversial or shameful about liking Bowie and/or Queen. Being a fan-boy, perhaps. Liking some of their work, no way.

all true. even the stuff about Queen and David Bowie

 

[ViolentPanda]

There is some teasing and banter and snobbery about different bands/artists on this forum - but that's what makes it fun to read most of the time.

I like loads of crap cheesy stuff that I think is actually genius.

Exactly.

I can understand people not liking particular genres because of not appreciating the vibe of the music (I'm not a great fan of the kind of r 'n' b-lite that seems to surface regularly in the charts), but I'd never say to myself "I'm not buying that because it isn't 'cool' ". If you like it you buy/download it, and fuck "fashion", "cool" or the (entirely imaginary) approval of an Urban clique. If I want to listen to Frank Sinatra followed by Einsturzende Neubauten, and then end the evening with Fairport Convention then I will, and sod anyone who doesn't like it.

 

[Dubversion]

but I'd never say to myself "I'm not buying that because it isn't 'cool' ".

i don't think anyone over the age of 12 does it. These people exist only in the fevered imaginations of muppets like muser who can't believe we don't all agree with his tastes and have to believe something other than a simple aesthetic choice is driving it .

 

[muser]

oh muser, bless you - why don't you write us a poem expressing the passions that arise from listening to the Stereophonics and we'll tell you what we think?

Dub dub dub, as soon as i try and have an intelligent debate you go and bring it back to your level.
Ok, allow me to discuss Stereophonic. 'Local boy in a photograph' - Its subject matter is poignant, though its how its dealt with. In a 'we've all seen that photo' kina way.
traffic - "she's going where? another office affair? to kill an unborn scare?"
The whole song is in that vein.
check my eyelids for holes - Just the title gets me (sap), but the song's well performed, and kelly jones' voice is very distinctive.

 

[Dubversion]

that's lovely.

 

[Lisarocket]

I do like Girls Aloud, and shall be BUYING (ie not downloading) their Greatest Hits collection

They've got a greatest hits collection already Haven't they only been going for about 5 minutes

 

[Dubversion]

no, lotsa hits

 

[muser]

i don't think anyone over the age of 12 does it. These people exist only in the fevered imaginations of muppets like muser who can't believe we don't all agree with his tastes and have to believe something other than a simple aesthetic choice is driving it .

stop projecting. My only point is that some people like 'chessy' stuff, but feel inclined not to mention it on here, for fear of the proverbial 'thats bollocks' or 'you've got bad taste'.

 

[Orang Utan]

Surely you only feel 'under pressure' if you are uncertain of your tastes - if you were confident enough, you wouldn't give a flying fuck, which is why I still maintain that Phil Collins is underrated and David Soul's Silver Lady is the greatest song ever written

 

[Dubversion]

muser, do you have any examples of these scoundrels?

how do you know they like cheesy stuff but don't admit it? and who's to say what's cheesy and what isn't?
sounds like YOU'RE projecting.

 

[milesy]

They've got a greatest hits collection already Haven't they only been going for about 5 minutes

4 years

 

[chazegee]

c'mon Muser, Dub openly admits to loving Chumbawumba, the man simply doesn't give a fuck

 

[ViolentPanda]

i don't think anyone over the age of 12 does it. These people exist only in the fevered imaginations of muppets like muser who can't believe we don't all agree with his tastes and have to believe something other than a simple aesthetic choice is driving it .

And yet I'm sure that muser would (if he's sane) agree that the main reason why one purchases or otherwise obtains what we could loosely term "non-essential" goods is purely because we like that thing, whether it be a film on DVD an album on any of the extant forms of distribution, a pair of shoes (especially Goth shoes ), or those grundies with a picture of Homer Simpson on the crotch.

No-one is claiming that personal taste isn't influenced by external forces, but that's more a matter of exposure, and of "if you like that then this might press your buttons", rather than of a rigid conformity to the diktat of some kind of "taste police".

 

[chazegee]

4 years

What's this about Girls Aloud being one Nicola Roberts p45 away from greatness that I read in The Graniad, do you agree Milesy?

p.s. Where's my CD you bastard

 

[muser]

And yet I'm sure that muser would (if he's sane) agree that the main reason why one purchases or otherwise obtains what we could loosely term "non-essential" goods is purely because we like that thing, whether it be a film on DVD an album on any of the extant forms of distribution, a pair of shoes (especially Goth shoes ), or those grundies with a picture of Homer Simpson on the crotch.

No-one is claiming that personal taste isn't influenced by external forces, but that's more a matter of exposure, and of "if you like that then this might press your buttons", rather than of a rigid conformity to the diktat of some kind of "taste police".

VP, I wouldn't dare argue with you

 

[muser]

muser, do you have any examples of these scoundrels?

how do you know they like cheesy stuff but don't admit it? and who's to say what's cheesy and what isn't?
sounds like YOU'RE projecting.

The word cheesy exist in the context of music, I never gave examples of it. So where does the problem lie?

 

[editor]

Unlike the stuff he likes which is just brilliant. You know, like the Stereophonics

Their first album is superb.

Really.

 

[Pieface]

stop projecting. My only point is that some people like 'chessy' stuff, but feel inclined not to mention it on here, for fear of the proverbial 'thats bollocks' or 'you've got bad taste'.

nah - Stavros, milesy, tanky will happily extol the virtues of "cheese" insofar as pop is cheesy.

Anyway - ridicule is nothing to be scared of as some other band once said - I like Dirty Dancing, I got shit for it the other day and I sleep alright.

 

[editor]

Ok, allow me to discuss Stereophonic. 'Local boy in a photograph' - Its subject matter is poignant, though its how its dealt with. In a 'we've all seen that photo' kina way.
traffic - "she's going where? another office affair? to kill an unborn scare?"
The whole song is in that vein.
check my eyelids for holes - Just the title gets me (sap), but the song's well performed, and kelly jones' voice is very distinctive.

Don't ever try and take up a job as music writer.

 

[milesy]

What's this about Girls Aloud being one Nicola Roberts p45 away from greatness that I read in The Graniad, do you agree Milesy?

p.s. Where's my CD you bastard

i don't read the guardian so i dunno what the article says. from what you say i guess they reckon girls aloud would be better if they got rid of nicola? well that's bollocks, they wouldn't be the same without any of them. nicola's ace

your CD?....erm...um...yes. what was i going to do you a CD of again?

 

[Dubversion]

The word cheesy exist in the context of music, I never gave examples of it. So where does the problem lie?

But you're claiming to know that people who like cheesy music are denying it. How can you possibly know that? And, like I said, the concept of cheesy is thoroughly subjective, so you also can't know whether the stuff they say they like is stuff they consider cheesy.

Do try and think a LITTLE bit harder about this stuff

 

[Dubversion]

Their first album is superb.

Really.

I disagree, but that's not the point and it's just my opinion.

The point is that muser thinks the only reason we don't ALL admit to liking stereophonics is that we're compelled by social pressure not to.

Which, if you think about it, is a weird way of thinking about music you like.

 

[muser]

Don't ever try and take up a job as music writer.

I won't!