DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
And yet...you can't say the word god, or any swear words, not something an atheist would have trouble with.
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UN says it has run out of food aid to Gaza
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bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Everytime i clean out my ignore list it's nearly always rachamin who makes me realise that it's there for a reason. bonkers, racist, delusional, horricallly misanthropic, impossible to read, no sense of humour whatsoever. He's everything the ignore button was made for.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
Or indeed say the word "palestinian" outside of quote marks.
as for my "obsession" rach - i'm not obsessed, just emphasising the point that the two can most definitely be compared, because i do find the dispraity between what happened in that part of the world and the international reaction to it compared to whats happening in israel, compeltely awful
and to be brutally honest you of all people shouldn't be lecturing others about being obsessed
as for my "obsession" rach - i'm not obsessed, just emphasising the point that the two can most definitely be compared, because i do find the dispraity between what happened in that part of the world and the international reaction to it compared to whats happening in israel, compeltely awful
and to be brutally honest you of all people shouldn't be lecturing others about being obsessed
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Apparently some of those rocks weigh 1.5-2lbs minimum, and can be shot from a sling at speeds of 100kph+.
Guess who the source of information about these "fist-sized rocks" was?
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
Apparently some of those rocks weigh 1.5-2lbs minimum, and can be shot from a sling at speeds of 100kph+.
Guess who the source of information about these "fist-sized rocks" was?
and if one of these rocks hits a tank it could blow up the world
so really the brave soldiers of the idf have no choice, i mean without them the world might be blasted into smithereens because of the devil children and their evil supernatural powers
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
and!!!
if two of the rocks hits a tank, it could create a giant black hole, and then after the world was blown up, everything would be sucked into it like the sun the moon the entire solar system and everything around it and then the entire universe would collapse into one big giant black hole and then at the centre of it would be yasser arafat rubbing his hands and going mwahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahaaha and then the universe would disappear, everything would disappear, it would all be gone, gone, gone, gone, gone
((((((((((((tanks))))))))))))))
if two of the rocks hits a tank, it could create a giant black hole, and then after the world was blown up, everything would be sucked into it like the sun the moon the entire solar system and everything around it and then the entire universe would collapse into one big giant black hole and then at the centre of it would be yasser arafat rubbing his hands and going mwahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahaaha and then the universe would disappear, everything would disappear, it would all be gone, gone, gone, gone, gone
((((((((((((tanks))))))))))))))
if its a "democracy" then the people should elect the power-elite who will do what they want
coccinelle
Active Member
and if one of these rocks hits a tank it could blow up the world
When a people so symbolically inverts one of its founding myths (David and Goliath) then it augurs badly for that people.
Garfield: "Garfield requests a source for Rachamim's statement that the so called "Cease Fire" was violated by HAMAS and not Israel...that HAMAS had constructed a tunnel 250 meters from Kissufim Crossing with the intent to kidnap yet another Israeli soldier.":
www.ynetnews.com.articles/0,7340,L-3617798,00.html
or
www.imra.org.il/story-php3?id=41230
On both, type it in manually if it does not work because for some reason when parsed it will not link, but when you type it in manually it will.
As for your insult at the end of that post, next time you ask me for a source you might want to back off the vulgarisms since I will no longer oblige you, when you could just as easily have found such proof, and to boot insulted me. It is pointless for me to provide YOU with sources because I guarantee that you will not apologise for the insults, etc. Yet I provide it because others may wish to actually know about the situation as opposed to just engaging in partisan sniping.
Dexter: "Thank G-D noone was hurting a child...": Why did you not ALSO include a picture of the child who suffered severe shock just this morning when a HAMAS Qassam landed close to his front door?
See, those pictures you DID bother to post show only one side, and a side caused by their OWN People. Israel has a right AND a responsibility to protect ITS own People. The responsibility for THOSE children lies with THEIR leaders. They need to stop iniating brutal conflicts with Israel. Israel NEVER aims to harm children but Collateral Damage is a sad fact of armed conflict. The difference between Israel and the "Palestinians" is that Israel has firm objectives and does what it can to minimise such c. damage.
"Palestinians" on the other hand do not aim at all. They simply fire away and should they harm someone as they harmed an elderly woman this morning with a Qassam on a kibbutz in Sha'ar HaNegev , or the 7 people today alone who suffered catastrophic shock - including the little boy I mentioned just a while ago.
Soroka Hospital in Be'ersheva has the only permanant Shock treatment centre in the world. Wonder why that is? It is because HAMAS, PIJ, and PRC as the largest of the groups currently operating in aza have not even paid lip service to their supposed truce. Even as Israel announced today that it wishes to preserve the supposed "Cease Fire" with Gaza, Gazans were lobbing 46 shells into Israel Proper! In a 12 hour period, and yet people like you see fit to denigrate an entire nation despite the fact that is is literally surrounded by hostile enemies.
TP: Yes, it is certainly a laughing matter, full of chagrin and giggles. I wonder how you would be were it your family being targetted simply because of their ethnic or religious background. Would you be so glib TP? I imagine that you would do much as you do now, try to discuss the aituation but when confronted with facts that do not allow you to wrap your position in window dressing you would then act as if it did not happen and try to deflect attention with 3rd rate jokes?
"The kids in the pictures offered by Garfield show kids that had thrown pebbles at IDF armour from far away.": Riiiight. You made the same joke a couple of weeks back but fell strangley silent when I replied and offered that just that very day a young soldier was critically injured by one of those "pebbles."
As I had also mentioned, people HAVE DIED from them so make jokes, that is about the best your position can do so I will symapthise and not be too critical.
Grandma: "Collateral Damage is perfectly acceptable. ": I am sorry Grandma, which army did you say you served in? AS long as a true attempt is made to incur the least amount of civilian casualties it is 100% Legal.
www.ynetnews.com.articles/0,7340,L-3617798,00.html
or
www.imra.org.il/story-php3?id=41230
On both, type it in manually if it does not work because for some reason when parsed it will not link, but when you type it in manually it will.
As for your insult at the end of that post, next time you ask me for a source you might want to back off the vulgarisms since I will no longer oblige you, when you could just as easily have found such proof, and to boot insulted me. It is pointless for me to provide YOU with sources because I guarantee that you will not apologise for the insults, etc. Yet I provide it because others may wish to actually know about the situation as opposed to just engaging in partisan sniping.
Dexter: "Thank G-D noone was hurting a child...": Why did you not ALSO include a picture of the child who suffered severe shock just this morning when a HAMAS Qassam landed close to his front door?
See, those pictures you DID bother to post show only one side, and a side caused by their OWN People. Israel has a right AND a responsibility to protect ITS own People. The responsibility for THOSE children lies with THEIR leaders. They need to stop iniating brutal conflicts with Israel. Israel NEVER aims to harm children but Collateral Damage is a sad fact of armed conflict. The difference between Israel and the "Palestinians" is that Israel has firm objectives and does what it can to minimise such c. damage.
"Palestinians" on the other hand do not aim at all. They simply fire away and should they harm someone as they harmed an elderly woman this morning with a Qassam on a kibbutz in Sha'ar HaNegev , or the 7 people today alone who suffered catastrophic shock - including the little boy I mentioned just a while ago.
Soroka Hospital in Be'ersheva has the only permanant Shock treatment centre in the world. Wonder why that is? It is because HAMAS, PIJ, and PRC as the largest of the groups currently operating in aza have not even paid lip service to their supposed truce. Even as Israel announced today that it wishes to preserve the supposed "Cease Fire" with Gaza, Gazans were lobbing 46 shells into Israel Proper! In a 12 hour period, and yet people like you see fit to denigrate an entire nation despite the fact that is is literally surrounded by hostile enemies.
TP: Yes, it is certainly a laughing matter, full of chagrin and giggles. I wonder how you would be were it your family being targetted simply because of their ethnic or religious background. Would you be so glib TP? I imagine that you would do much as you do now, try to discuss the aituation but when confronted with facts that do not allow you to wrap your position in window dressing you would then act as if it did not happen and try to deflect attention with 3rd rate jokes?
"The kids in the pictures offered by Garfield show kids that had thrown pebbles at IDF armour from far away.": Riiiight. You made the same joke a couple of weeks back but fell strangley silent when I replied and offered that just that very day a young soldier was critically injured by one of those "pebbles."
As I had also mentioned, people HAVE DIED from them so make jokes, that is about the best your position can do so I will symapthise and not be too critical.
Grandma: "Collateral Damage is perfectly acceptable. ": I am sorry Grandma, which army did you say you served in? AS long as a true attempt is made to incur the least amount of civilian casualties it is 100% Legal.
T & P
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I imagine I'd be so mighty pissed off I would resort to throwing stones at the armoured vehicles of my oppressors and abusers- funnily enough just what Palestinian children do against "Israeili" "soldiers" terrorising them.
Dexter: "Rachamim claims to not be religious and yet he cannot say the name of G-D nor swear.": the world is oh so simple for you. Listen, what does "not being religious" have to do with "atheism?" One could be Agnostic, or even Jewish in faith as I am but not Observant. Not being religious does not mean you have no religion.
As for the name of G-D, would you call your dad by his first nmae? Your professor? G-D is the father and teacher of all people and so why should HE not be given the most respect like any other entity in high esteem?
As for "swearing." I curse ALOT. I grew up in the army genius. However, when disccusing already volatile issues one should seek to negate as much contentiousness as possible.Religion and Politics are always going to cause friction in discussion and cursing just lets it get out of control. An intelligent person should be more than able to find synonyms to get their point across.
Bluestreak": "Rachamim is the reason the "Ignore" feature exists.": Great. I happen to fully agree with you. Anyone unable to talk adults should play with his circle jerk and allow adults to exchange views in a civil manner.
I alwsy find it so telling when people like Bluestreak call me the most vile insults. They fail to see that everything they accuse me of is merely a projection of their own failings and indequacies.
Frog: "Rachamim cannot not only NOt say G-D's name, nor swear, he also cannot use the word 'Palestinian' outside of quotaion marks.": Yep, because it is a loaded word the use of which denotes a certain cache underserving of the recipient. They exist NOW as a People but only for 60 odd years. This is overlooked when people such as many posters here claming that Israel is "occupying" THEIR land.
I also use the quotation marks with the word "West Bank." Why does that not ditrub you? I also use it when using words from other languages, why does THAT not bother you? See, it is merely you projecting.
You (and to be fair some others) love to assume it is some kind of insult to "Palestinians" when indeed it is not. I like all Israeli Govts. am 100% for a "Palestinian" state. As well, again like most Govts., I am NOT for it being comrpised of Israel Proper.
"Frog is NOT obsessed with the former Yugoslavia, just that she sees many similarities between the 2 dynamics and is appalled that Yugoslavia should have received all the International attention while the Israeli dynamic does not. You realise I hope how lame that sounds, yes? This forum illustrates the futility of your point. Israel and the "Palestinians" happen to receive way too much attention.
The Serbs engaged in Ethnic Cleansing, Israel never has.
The Serbs operated concentration camps, Israel never has.
The Serbs intentionally committed genocide, Israel does not commit genocide at all.
The Serbs illegaly tried to exert their nationalism upon areas historically and legally belonging to other nationalities, Israel does not.
"Palestine" as I have recently told you yet again, is , in English called "Judea and Samaria." Of course those 2 labels refer to Jews, not Arabs. You like your opinions neat and clean, close minded (no offence) even in light of irrefutable facts such as the ones I have just reiterated. You traise several points, I reply point by point showing your errors and not a word from you. Then you make what you consider to be cute ramrks, and totally ignore the issue at hand, namely that you have been wrong on just about everything you have maintained.
It irks you to see the underdog suffer. The underdog naturally is the "Palestinians" since unlike them we opted for statehood and all the responsibility that goes with it. We have advanced lightyears in every relevant area while they have remained static, flundering in their morass of their ignorance and impotence.
So, you see an IDF tank spit a shell and sadly a child is killed. This pushes your buttons. In your mind the more powerful should be imbued with martyrdom, willing to take several "on the chin" while the underdogs do nothing to change their predicament and indeed do a whole lot to antagonise and hurt Israel and its People.
You ignore unplesant realities such as there being 29 militant groups, 28 of whom state publicly their desire to exterminate Jews. HAMAS, the de facto govt. in Gaza has a thick Charter which says Jews are behind ALL drug addiction and alcoholism on the planet, Jews controll all media, all banking, otherwise innocuous organisations such as the Lions, Jaycees, Boyscouts, and others which are, according to HAMAS, merely vehichles to achieve world control by the Jews. HAMAS says that Praside cannot come until every Jews is killed, spit out from the Earth for being dirty and an abomination.
As Israelis work at Crossings to ship food, medicines, and other commodities into Gaza they are subject to kidnap events , incessant shelling (1 mortar landed on the Israeli side of Kissufim Crossing this morning yet again). Israel decides that this is just an unacceptable suituation and that IF Gazans truly wish to end the isolation, the closings, the anomosity they merely need to declare their commitment to coexistence. Israel again today repeated its truest hope that HAMAS will again commit to a Cease Fire so that Israel might reopen Crossings. this is NOT what HAMAS wants.
"Rachamim of all people whould not be lecturing others on 'obsession'.": I am not obessed though. I talk about Israel because this is a Mid-East Forum and that is the forum mandate. You on the other hand DO bring up the former Tugoslavia, particularly Kosovo and Serbia. You do so when it has no connection even on the faintest level. Nothing wrong with that mind you, just an observation.
Panda: "Observations on 'fist sized rocks'.": And it is true. Of course you would know better than me, I mean you have faced it so many times. But how do you manage it as you test rocks to derive their average specs? You truly are a Rennasiance Man!
As for the speed, that is common knowledge. We radar them often, it is one of the factors often used to make a decison on the degree of force applied. Maybe you would be btter off sticking to your theasurus and dissertations on semantics.
Frog (again): "And the IDF in theri tanks have no choice but to harm children when they throw rocks against theit tanks.": You imagine we use tanks regularly? Tanks need very wide paths to operate and unfortunately we do not have that luxury since just about every camp, village, and city in Arab areas have winding lanes less than a car width and no tank could ever get in there, unless we did it Jenin style and use a modified tank to take down rows of habitacions, and that is not realistic .
We soemtimes do use APCs but my Brigade uses what we call "Zeldas" (sic)
M113s and their armour can be punched with a 38 handgun. We do soemtimes reinforce them ourselves but eeven with sandbags inside they are hazardous in combat. We operate on foot and only really use APCs for transport.
If a person is on foot, even with their personal armour and the new Ksdah helmets (US style), a rock can do major damage and even kill. It is very rare that the IDF uses true force with children. The thing that takes place is that children are used as cover for older men to fire weaponry and/or throw Molotovs. To defend ourselves and exert and regain control we need to resort to controlled force. The blame lies on the militants as well the childrens' parents. You take the simple tact and blame Israel for protecting itself. How clever.
I also notice that you NEVER offer a solution but instead merely bemoan legal and proper actions. You see a better way? Please, by all means, enlighten us.
Frogs next small post: Your giggling is disgusting. You seem to forget that you are talking about extreme violence. I wonder how you imagine that to be funny even living in that joke of a country. I do sometimes consider how I might regard the dynamic were I to grow up in such a place, etc. I like to think that I would still be able to consider things in a rational manner but who can say?
I do know though, that if it really interests you you should recognise the gravity of the situation and try to imagine how you might feel were it your child in a HAMAS demo, or in a S'derot school that is bombed by HAMAS or PIJ and going through that horrid uncertainty every day of the week as the Red Flag system goes off to signal incoming. This is deadly serious. IF you find it cute, you have true issues.
Coccinelle: "David and Goliat.": Ooooh, soooo clever. EXACTLY what I meant though when describing the Left's fascination with the underdog. Israel should apologise for being strong and able. Suuuure.
As for the name of G-D, would you call your dad by his first nmae? Your professor? G-D is the father and teacher of all people and so why should HE not be given the most respect like any other entity in high esteem?
As for "swearing." I curse ALOT. I grew up in the army genius. However, when disccusing already volatile issues one should seek to negate as much contentiousness as possible.Religion and Politics are always going to cause friction in discussion and cursing just lets it get out of control. An intelligent person should be more than able to find synonyms to get their point across.
Bluestreak": "Rachamim is the reason the "Ignore" feature exists.": Great. I happen to fully agree with you. Anyone unable to talk adults should play with his circle jerk and allow adults to exchange views in a civil manner.
I alwsy find it so telling when people like Bluestreak call me the most vile insults. They fail to see that everything they accuse me of is merely a projection of their own failings and indequacies.
Frog: "Rachamim cannot not only NOt say G-D's name, nor swear, he also cannot use the word 'Palestinian' outside of quotaion marks.": Yep, because it is a loaded word the use of which denotes a certain cache underserving of the recipient. They exist NOW as a People but only for 60 odd years. This is overlooked when people such as many posters here claming that Israel is "occupying" THEIR land.
I also use the quotation marks with the word "West Bank." Why does that not ditrub you? I also use it when using words from other languages, why does THAT not bother you? See, it is merely you projecting.
You (and to be fair some others) love to assume it is some kind of insult to "Palestinians" when indeed it is not. I like all Israeli Govts. am 100% for a "Palestinian" state. As well, again like most Govts., I am NOT for it being comrpised of Israel Proper.
"Frog is NOT obsessed with the former Yugoslavia, just that she sees many similarities between the 2 dynamics and is appalled that Yugoslavia should have received all the International attention while the Israeli dynamic does not. You realise I hope how lame that sounds, yes? This forum illustrates the futility of your point. Israel and the "Palestinians" happen to receive way too much attention.
The Serbs engaged in Ethnic Cleansing, Israel never has.
The Serbs operated concentration camps, Israel never has.
The Serbs intentionally committed genocide, Israel does not commit genocide at all.
The Serbs illegaly tried to exert their nationalism upon areas historically and legally belonging to other nationalities, Israel does not.
"Palestine" as I have recently told you yet again, is , in English called "Judea and Samaria." Of course those 2 labels refer to Jews, not Arabs. You like your opinions neat and clean, close minded (no offence) even in light of irrefutable facts such as the ones I have just reiterated. You traise several points, I reply point by point showing your errors and not a word from you. Then you make what you consider to be cute ramrks, and totally ignore the issue at hand, namely that you have been wrong on just about everything you have maintained.
It irks you to see the underdog suffer. The underdog naturally is the "Palestinians" since unlike them we opted for statehood and all the responsibility that goes with it. We have advanced lightyears in every relevant area while they have remained static, flundering in their morass of their ignorance and impotence.
So, you see an IDF tank spit a shell and sadly a child is killed. This pushes your buttons. In your mind the more powerful should be imbued with martyrdom, willing to take several "on the chin" while the underdogs do nothing to change their predicament and indeed do a whole lot to antagonise and hurt Israel and its People.
You ignore unplesant realities such as there being 29 militant groups, 28 of whom state publicly their desire to exterminate Jews. HAMAS, the de facto govt. in Gaza has a thick Charter which says Jews are behind ALL drug addiction and alcoholism on the planet, Jews controll all media, all banking, otherwise innocuous organisations such as the Lions, Jaycees, Boyscouts, and others which are, according to HAMAS, merely vehichles to achieve world control by the Jews. HAMAS says that Praside cannot come until every Jews is killed, spit out from the Earth for being dirty and an abomination.
As Israelis work at Crossings to ship food, medicines, and other commodities into Gaza they are subject to kidnap events , incessant shelling (1 mortar landed on the Israeli side of Kissufim Crossing this morning yet again). Israel decides that this is just an unacceptable suituation and that IF Gazans truly wish to end the isolation, the closings, the anomosity they merely need to declare their commitment to coexistence. Israel again today repeated its truest hope that HAMAS will again commit to a Cease Fire so that Israel might reopen Crossings. this is NOT what HAMAS wants.
"Rachamim of all people whould not be lecturing others on 'obsession'.": I am not obessed though. I talk about Israel because this is a Mid-East Forum and that is the forum mandate. You on the other hand DO bring up the former Tugoslavia, particularly Kosovo and Serbia. You do so when it has no connection even on the faintest level. Nothing wrong with that mind you, just an observation.
Panda: "Observations on 'fist sized rocks'.": And it is true. Of course you would know better than me, I mean you have faced it so many times. But how do you manage it as you test rocks to derive their average specs? You truly are a Rennasiance Man!
As for the speed, that is common knowledge. We radar them often, it is one of the factors often used to make a decison on the degree of force applied. Maybe you would be btter off sticking to your theasurus and dissertations on semantics.
Frog (again): "And the IDF in theri tanks have no choice but to harm children when they throw rocks against theit tanks.": You imagine we use tanks regularly? Tanks need very wide paths to operate and unfortunately we do not have that luxury since just about every camp, village, and city in Arab areas have winding lanes less than a car width and no tank could ever get in there, unless we did it Jenin style and use a modified tank to take down rows of habitacions, and that is not realistic .
We soemtimes do use APCs but my Brigade uses what we call "Zeldas" (sic)
M113s and their armour can be punched with a 38 handgun. We do soemtimes reinforce them ourselves but eeven with sandbags inside they are hazardous in combat. We operate on foot and only really use APCs for transport.
If a person is on foot, even with their personal armour and the new Ksdah helmets (US style), a rock can do major damage and even kill. It is very rare that the IDF uses true force with children. The thing that takes place is that children are used as cover for older men to fire weaponry and/or throw Molotovs. To defend ourselves and exert and regain control we need to resort to controlled force. The blame lies on the militants as well the childrens' parents. You take the simple tact and blame Israel for protecting itself. How clever.
I also notice that you NEVER offer a solution but instead merely bemoan legal and proper actions. You see a better way? Please, by all means, enlighten us.
Frogs next small post: Your giggling is disgusting. You seem to forget that you are talking about extreme violence. I wonder how you imagine that to be funny even living in that joke of a country. I do sometimes consider how I might regard the dynamic were I to grow up in such a place, etc. I like to think that I would still be able to consider things in a rational manner but who can say?
I do know though, that if it really interests you you should recognise the gravity of the situation and try to imagine how you might feel were it your child in a HAMAS demo, or in a S'derot school that is bombed by HAMAS or PIJ and going through that horrid uncertainty every day of the week as the Red Flag system goes off to signal incoming. This is deadly serious. IF you find it cute, you have true issues.
Coccinelle: "David and Goliat.": Ooooh, soooo clever. EXACTLY what I meant though when describing the Left's fascination with the underdog. Israel should apologise for being strong and able. Suuuure.
TP: But you still do not qualify your comments. Again with accusations but not a single shred to support the vile blanket accusation. Pretty transparent.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
This is silly...it's not even a fair fight...you're just such a shit troll on so many levels. Fucking Urban!!!! gah!
T & P
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Coming from Mr. evidence-free rant-a-minute, that is very rich indeed
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
Everyone agrees that "Israel" is occupying the Palestinians' land, including the "Israeli"government itself. And as the occupying power, "Israel" has the responsibility under international law to treat the occupied population with some degree of respect, which it does not do.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...trition-in-gaza-blamed-on-israel-1019521.html
Shame on Israel.
Shame on anyone who thinks this is acceptable.
I thought Israel was a small innocent country only trying to defend itself?
Oh, hang on...
Shame on Israel.
Shame on anyone who thinks this is acceptable.
I thought Israel was a small innocent country only trying to defend itself?
Oh, hang on...
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