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UN report on Gaza war crimes

you are an arrogant cock if you think you can tell a people faced with obliteration that they have no right to resist.
You almost had an argument there until you decided to go down Spion's "debating" route.

I'll take it from all the insults and anger that nobody on this thread has a single argument as to why it's ok for Hamas to kill innocent children. I guess perhaps you feel embarrassed when somebody pointed out the absolute hypocrisy of raging against all the innocent Palestinians Israel has killed whilst getting a hard on over all the innocent Israelis the Palestinian terrorist groups have killed.

Don't worry, I'll check back every now and again to see if any of the attitudes of posters on this thread have changed, but I won't be responding to any more insults made by people who aren't intelligent enough to construct a well thought out argument or who have completely lost all their humanity and their grip on reality...
 
In other words, you made a point he can't answer. So he'll get all huffy about insults now. Another stunningly irrelevant diversionary tactic.
 
In other words, you made a point he can't answer. So he'll get all huffy about insults now. Another stunningly irrelevant diversionary tactic.

Well I must admit he evaded my point with the skill of a mountain goat

So I will ask it again. Cyber Rose Following your logic would you condemn the resistance of the Warsaw Ghetto?
 
I won't be responding to any more insults
Good. Fuck off then. Your 'logic' is sterile and divorced from the real power relations that are played out in the Is/Pal conflict - that of a people massively overwhelmed by the firepower of an enemy that wants to wipe them out as a social and political entity.
 
You almost had an argument there until you decided to go down Spion's "debating" route.

I'll take it from all the insults and anger that nobody on this thread has a single argument as to why it's ok for Hamas to kill innocent children. I guess perhaps you feel embarrassed when somebody pointed out the absolute hypocrisy of raging against all the innocent Palestinians Israel has killed whilst getting a hard on over all the innocent Israelis the Palestinian terrorist groups have killed.

Don't worry, I'll check back every now and again to see if any of the attitudes of posters on this thread have changed, but I won't be responding to any more insults made by people who aren't intelligent enough to construct a well thought out argument or who have completely lost all their humanity and their grip on reality...
Try not to be so hypocritical - you called me scum for having an opinion you don't like!

I'll answer your question. It's OK for Hamas to kill the odd Israeli child, completely by accident, because in that part of the world, the Israeli state sets the rules of engagement, on account of it being the only party which is in a position to do so. Hamas has very little control over the people who make and launch rockets into Israel, and no control over where the rockets end up. Israel, however, has complete control over its own military, absolute control over air and sea, and a mandate from the Israeli people to gun down Palestinian children like dogs.

1500 dead Palestinian children in the last 9 years tells us that the Israelis have set the bar on civilised behaviour extremely low. Their rules of engagement might well be something along the lines of: 'If it looks Arab, and you can get away with it without witnesses, shoot'. That's why it's OK. The one party in this fight that has the capacity to act like a civilised nation, the one party that has it within its remit to hold back, absolutely refuses to do so. Israel is a barbarian nation, a rogue nation, a terrorist nation, and it is supported by the US and the UK for reasons which have very little to do with justice for the Jews (the usual reason given for supporting Israel's barbarity), or for the Palestinians.

Until someone says 'No', the problems in Palestine might easily be seen as the result of total war - this is a war between a highly motivated and technologically advanced nation and some farmers - or at least, were they allowed to get on with it, they would be farmers. The objective, from the Israeli perspective is to wipe out any hope for a free Palestine. For the Palestinians, it is about survival. This most unequal of wars will continue either until the Israelis have evicted every last Palestinian from their homeland, or until the rest of the world tells Israel to stop, and then acts to make them stop.

It's OK for the odd Israeli child to die by accident because Israel deliberately sets out to kill Palestinian children. It's OK for rockets to be launched at Israel because without them, no-one cares what happens to Palestine. It's OK because the victims, the ones being forced from their homes by European settlers with no connection to Palestine apart from some sort of mythical gene, are going to end up dead or driven from their land unless someone acts.

You don't like it, I don't like it, but the reality is that every dead child, on either side, makes it more and more certain that the world will have to act. If there had been no dead children, there would be no Palestine. Israel would have gobbled it all up and evicted or killed every last Arab, and no-one would have noticed, or said a word.
 
Not sure that is strictly true. Israel has not ethnicly cleansed the west bank or Gaza which it could militarly.
It could get away with it UN is not going to rush into stop it niether is the arab world.
Israel is a democracy so does attempt in a rather ham fisted way to limit the mayhem it causes.
compare and contrast what syria did with a rebel town :(

Hamas and its friends can't win israel won't kill everybody so at some point they need to settle it by political means.
 
The only reason, in my opinion, that Israel has not gone the full-blown genocide/ethnic cleansing route is because if it did, then the whole world would be in doubt about them, and the rest of us might choose to behave in a way which could damage Israel economically. There is no doubt in my mind that if they thought world condemnation over a bit of ethnic cleansing would not be forthcoming, then they would have done it long ago. But they need the support of the West - someone has to buy all that fruit grown on stolen land. I agree with you that militarily Israel could easily storm across Palestine, and I agree that the UN might do very little. But Israel needs friends as well - wiping out the Palestinians, attractive though it might be to them, is not going to win them much sympathy.

And you know, maybe other countries do behave abominably sometimes - you mentioned Syria. But nothing Syria has done can begin to match what Israel has done to its nearest neighbour. And Israel is supposed to be 'one of us'. Sadly, it is not.

Eventually, the solution will be a political one, exactly as you say. But to get to the point where there is any desire to come to a political agreement, Hamas needs to keep Palestine in our minds. Resistance is the only way to do this. As soon as they stop fighting, Israel will crush Palestine forever.
 
50% of Palestinians worldwide are registered with the UN as refugees.

UN Resolution 194 (1948) demands that the refugees be allowed to return. Ignored by Israel, not enforced by the international community.

UN Resolution 237 (1967) demands that the 1967 refugees be allowed to return. Ignored by Israel, not enforced by the international community.

Palestinians who marry Israeli citizens or East Jerusalemites are not allowed to live in Israel (law passed 2002).

I'd say the ethnic cleansing is rather well underway.
 
re syria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_Massacre
israel could get away with that these days :(

The resistance gives israel a perfect opportunity to continue to not give up land for peace.
Pals are screwed both ways don't fight be ignored fight be ignored and bombed:(
does'nt help that arab states can't or won't help. The pals are a nice excuse to
avoid dealing with there own internal problems a just peace deal would be make life difficult for most of the arab states around.
but at least the pals are not kurds:(
 
Whatever their effects, we both know the intention - to indiscriminately kill as many innocents as possible.
So there's equivalence of intent. Big surprise.

Now let's talk about effect, what is actually done, rather than some kind of thought crime, eh?

You stink of hypocrisy all right ...
 
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