Ukraine: Workers Occupy Factory - Demanding Workers Control

[danny la rouge]

Not even a work.

Still, it ate away at his time.

 

[Spion]

Not even a work.

LOL

 

[butchersapron]

The Poverty of Philosophy
Answer to the Philosophy of Poverty by M. Proudhon

What stupid ignorant of marx point do you think that you're making marxist?

 

[Spion]

The Holy Family or Critique of Critical Criticism.
Against Bruno Bauer and Company

 

[butchersapron]

You're going to have a very long night if you intend to show the 'vast bullk of marx's writing were criticising groups or individuals. Good luck. Showing some of marx's writings did that count btw.

Good luck on your pilgramage.

 

[Spion]

The Bakuninists at Work
An account of the Spanish revolt in the summer of 1873

 

[Spion]

Anti-Dühring

 

[butchersapron]

Let us know when you reach 50% spion.

 

[danny la rouge]

The Bakuninists at Work
An account of the Spanish revolt in the summer of 1873

Build two piles. You can even have left Hegelians in the 'criticising socialists' pile. It still won't be "the vast bulk".

 

[Spion]

You're going to have a very long night

I'd have a very long night pulling out all the criticism of other tendencies because there is tons of it. Maybe not the vast bulk but a fuck of a lot

 

[butchersapron]

I'd have a very long night pulling out all the criticism of other tendencies because there is tons of it. Maybe not the vast bulk but a fuck of a lot

There's no 'maybe' about it.

 

[Spion]

But you don't deny they did a lot of it?

 

[danny la rouge]

Anyway:

http://www.ainfos.ca/en/ainfos22203.html

people started to show class consciousness, and a reaction against
the very failed bourgeois and failed parties

Good stuff.

 

[butchersapron]

The vast bulk?

 

[Spion]

The vast bulk?

So you don't deny a large part of their time was taken up by polemic?

 

[danny la rouge]

So you don't deny a large part of their time was taken up by polemic?

Nobody's denying that Marx and Engels engaged in in-fighting with other socialists. Nobody with any knowledge of the International, anyway.

 

[butchersapron]

So you don't deny a large part of their time was taken up by polemic?

Look, you made a daft claim you've not got the grace or honesty to take it back, so are now trying to say it was true by some weird process of elimination. Not interested.

 

[bluestreak]

Guys, I think you're both being a bit unnecessary about this. Worth a few posts of disagreement but not a big old bunfight.

 

[Spion]

Look, you made a daft claim you've not got the grace or honesty to take it back, so are now trying to say it was true by some weird process of elimination. Not interested.

Errr, I already conceded on 'the vast bulk' a page ago. But you have your great victory seeing as you need it.

 

[danny la rouge]

Guys, I think you're both being a bit unnecessary about this. Worth a few posts of disagreement but not a big old bunfight.

Fair enough.

 

[Spion]

Guys, I think you're both being a bit unnecessary about this. Worth a few posts of disagreement but not a big old bunfight.

You're quite right. I shouldn't have responded to butchers' cock waving game in which he tunnel-vision fashion scores points over the wrong detail rather than dealing with the essence of the argument

 

[butchersapron]

Bit anti-feminist that.

 

[dennisr]

Anyway, why deny debate is important?

I would not deny debate is important - I'm just not convinced that a factory occupation in the Ukraine in 2009 requires a debate around Makhano's lot v the Bolshies

 

[dennisr]

Still, it ate away at his time.

Fred, as his official cash cow, used to get completely pissed off when he got sidetracked in the writing of capital by somewhat extended critiques of folk - Herr Vogt and his ilk - who had pissed him off

 

[danny la rouge]

http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20090205140935472

Solidarity with the workers of the Kherson Machine Building Plant, who are currently occupying the offices of the company and will retain it to meet the requirements! Solidarity with the legitimate demands - honest payment of money owed - work which can be done any time under the pressure of power. . It is probable that the owner of the factory will attempt to utilize the power structures to combat the works council. In fact right now, for fear of further decisive action, capitalists are trying to institute criminal proceedings against employees. We believe that it is now more important than ever to demonstrate to brazen businessmen that the workers - thousands of people in different cities- stand united. Send e-mail messages in support of Kherson WORKS!

Recipients:
[email protected]
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[butchersapron]

Fred, as his official cash cow, used to get completely pissed off when he got sidetracked in the writing of capital by somewhat extended critiques of folk - Herr Vogt and his ilk - who had pissed him off

(Well, to be fair to marx, there's people who pissed him off and then there's police spies who try and get people sent away for the rest of their life...

Right, no more on marx etc from me)