ukip in the poo

[TAE]

UKIP is planning to drop the pound sign if its members argree because hardly anyone thinks adopting the euro is a good idea anymore, so that argument has been won.

They haven't convinced me. I think the UK joining the Eurozone is fairly inevitable and would be very positive.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I was going to say the same. I think we should join it as soon as possible.

 

[exleper]

nigel farage surely isnt doing himself any favours by keeping xenophobia up to a healthy level....

He said UKIP had no debts but added "we don't have a third of a million to hand right at this moment in time.

"And I have to say this piece of legislation was brought in to stop dodgy foreign donations influencing British politics.

"It was surely never intended that it should penalise us and penalise a man who's lived in the UK all his life, and because of a simple clerical error wasn't on it [the electoral register] in 2005.

"And it feels to us like there's an attempt here by the establishment to close us down."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6388617.stm

 

[nick1181]

They haven't convinced me. I think the UK joining the Eurozone is fairly inevitable and would be very positive.

Yea, so do I.

Especially as we have a government who consistently acts against the will of the people, but if favour of what the (extremely right-wing) US govt wants.

I'm a European, I'm not an American... and actually, given the stupidity of new labour... I'm feeling less and less British.

Talking to UKIP people is a bit like talking to slightly more sane Freepers - they're filled with dislike for "the other" but never get down to any convincing specifics about what "the other" has done to hurt them.

 

[gosub]

They haven't convinced me. I think the UK joining the Eurozone is fairly inevitable and would be very positive.

That's a fair point, but then as you seem to favour higher house prices and even higher levels of personal debt, I'm not sure whether you would have grasped the intricacies of the debate anyway.

 

[brianx]

Why would this government want to hurt UKIP? Anyone that splits the tory vote in a first past the post system is fine by me.

 

[TAE]

... as you seem to favour higher house prices and even higher levels of personal debt ...

 

[gosub]

ECB interest rate 3.75%

UK interest rate 5.25%

 

[pingupete]

I'd say that UKIP have now taken a one way trip into the creek and have lost the last paddle. Is there anything to redeem this bunch?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ news/politics/article1434608.ece

 

[gosub]

That looks more like proper scandal.

Only trouble is, if the past is any precedent, than thanks to the unique way the EUropean Parliament operates UKIP kicks the MEP West out of their party, the next one on UKIP's regional list becomes an MEP, whilst West, still an MEP slopes off and joins this lot

 

[laptop]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1434608.ece

Bank documents show that [UKIP MEP] Tom Wise channelled nearly £40,000 of public funds into his personal account after claiming it was for an assistant’s salary. He is now being investigated by a European antifraud watchdog, which has asked to interview him and others in connection with the case.

This is potentially the most serious crisis to hit UKIP, which has always held itself up as the party opposed to the European Union “gravy train”.

So that's all the "broadsheets" (except, apparently, the Guardian) running their own investigations of UKIP...

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[DownwardDog]

ECB interest rate 3.75%

UK interest rate 5.25%

Euro interest rates combined with the British deregulated credit (both secured and unsecured) industry would result in total meltdown. What happened in the Irish property market would be trifling by comparison.

I think it's more a question of who will leave the Eurozone first (Italy?) rather than who will join next.

 

[gosub]

Euro interest rates combined with the British deregulated credit (both secured and unsecured) industry would result in total meltdown. What happened in the Irish property market would be trifling by comparison.

I think it's more a question of who will leave the Eurozone first (Italy?) rather than who will join next.

I really wouldn't go down the Britain in Europe route of misleading scaremongering (IIRC millons of jobs were to be lost if we didn't join the EUro, and the Prof behind the report accused BiE of misrepresentation).

Cyprus and Slovenia have applied to for EUro membership in 2008.

Back to the cause of this tangent, thought UKIP were right to stop going on about the £ because the intergrationists (through gritted teeth) would accuse them of harping on about nothing, as joining the euro cannot be on anyones agenda for the foreseeable future.

Think Italy will be the first out though, can't guess time frame

 

[goneforlunch]

Talking to UKIP people is a bit like talking to slightly more sane Freepers - they're filled with dislike for "the other" but never get down to any convincing specifics about what "the other" has done to hurt them.

Remember my posts in this thread: What is just so bad about the European Union? Both you and TAE were contributors to it. I thought I was really quite specific in my objections!

I'm not defending UKIP this time. But I'm sorry to say that I cannot see a better prospect. The mainstream parties are working together to further EU policies, so they just won't do, and the smaller anti-EU parties are even smaller than UKIP. I want change and that means leaving the control of the body that now makes 80% of our laws in order to get it, somehow, and I'd rather this came about through democratic means rather than waiting for the revolution. I might faint at the sight of blood.

 

[TAE]

Euro interest rates combined with the British deregulated credit (both secured and unsecured) industry would result in total meltdown.

Perhaps we should do something about the (almost criminal) British deregulated credit industry.

The UK now accounts for more than two-thirds of all the credit card debt outstanding across the entire European Union.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/09/24/ccbrown524.xml

 

[goneforlunch]

Perhaps we should do something about the (almost criminal) British deregulated credit industry.

Quote:
The UK now accounts for more than two-thirds of all the credit card debt outstanding across the entire European Union.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...ccbrown524.xml

Credit card companies should be made to at least check income levels are suitable for the credit being offered, to look after the interests of those who cannot manage debt sensibly.

UKIP has issued a statement about the Sunday Times article about the misappropriation of European Parliament allowances:

The European parliament has already conducted its own enquiry into this matter in early 2006. Although it found that Mr Wise had infringed the rules about handling parliamentary allowances, its conclusion was that ‘Parliament Services are satisfied that Mr Wise’s financial position vis-à-vis parliament in respect of allowances he has received are correct and intend no further action in this regard.'

The UK Independence Party would never condone the misuse of public money. It will respect the results of the OLAF enquiry into this matter and will take whatever steps it deems appropriate as a consequence of that enquiry.

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