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Fuck me - is it that many now?
UK population grows by more than 400,000
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Fuck me - is it that many now?
weltweit
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More than 50% of the growth was births exceeding deaths so you may have a point!
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Yeah it must be awful for them, having one person per eighty four billion square miles
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
And yet the average newly built home in the Netherlands has considerably more floor space than in the UK, which is building the smallest houses in Europe
Yeah it must be awful for them, having one person per eighty four billion square miles
*christ*
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Anyway, the solution is simple and it's one I've argued for many times before. We simply deport the entire population of Leeds, flatten the place and start again. Only this time, we'll populate it with actual humans 
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Malthus was speaking shit then. And your speaking shit now.
weltweit
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On your earlier point about people generating jobs...Anyway, the solution is simple and it's one I've argued for many times before. We simply deport the entire population of Leeds, flatten the place and start again. Only this time, we'll populate it with actual humans
How does the following page on countries ranked by unemployment rates, fit with your theory?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate
If you rank the table by unemployment rate, obviously I don't believe Cambodia actually has a meaningful 0% unemployment rate .. but the table is interesting - it does not seem the most populated countries have the lowest unemployment rates.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What on earth is a food definition?
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not being funny, but can you not work it out? More people equals more stuff that needs doing and more people to do stuff.
Places with net immigration are places where there is work. You will find that those places whose populations are decreasing have fuck all jobs. That's why people are leaving. Detroit: People are fucking off in droves. Great, you say, I can get a job there surely. If you think that, then think again.
weltweit
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Not sure cynicaleconomy, they seem to have conveniently missed out a lot of countries, perhaps the other countries didn't fit the curve!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ask yourself this. Why do people move from one place to another? In the main - people of working age.
ETA: To get a proper picture of what's going on, you also have to look in greater detail than just countries. There will be parts of Britain where population is falling.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
The chart is specifically about new EU countries; nothing convenient about it, just what they were focusing on. I'll keep looking for another chart but I would be very surprised to see any positive correlation between population and unemployment.
weltweit
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Sure I see that, but people have to have money, to pay other people to do stuff..
There are plenty of places with lots of people but no economy because there are no jobs / money!
Spain for example ..
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There will be a positive correlation between immigration and employment. People generally move from places with little work to places with more work.
Population increase due to birth rate may have a different relationship with employment.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Have you looked up Spain? What's happening to the population there? Is there net immigration? How about Greece?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
That wasn't the point though, the point was, people create jobs. Not incoming or outgoing, just people. There are plenty of people in Spain, but there are not jobs.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
To be brutally honest, you still haven't got the point at all.
But I did just look it up, and there is a recent ft article on the recent exodus from Spain caused by the dire economic crisis, following years of net immigration. I can't read it, but it's here:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f7bdd5ce-995e-11e3-91cd-00144feab7de.html#axzz35n2x0nZz
Favelado
I'm loving Engels instead.
The population of Spain has been falling as people return to Latin America post-2008.
weltweit
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Sure, I have moved myself for work, many times.
A few generations ago there was a massive influx of people into the Welsh valleys for the boom that was coal. Now there are residual populations there but few jobs. Spanky's point was that people generate jobs, well in the valleys there are people a plenty but no jobs.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And what has been happening to the valleys population since coal ended? Has it been going up or down?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I think you are misrepresenting me. As I have mentioned now a couple of times Spanky's point was that people create jobs which I disagree with. Your point is that people are attracted to areas where there are jobs or words to that affect, that is a no brainer, a platitude, but it isn't the point Spanky made.
weltweit
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platitude .. truism
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Noone is saying that the only factor impacting on job numbers is population growth. Obviously Spain's unemployment problems are political, not demographic.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
A platitude?
You brought up Spain. I predicted for you that Spain would be experiencing net emigration currently before looking it up. I was right. You don't seem to understand these mechanisms at all. There are two things here - population size and population change. Think about that.
weltweit
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Rubbish, I understand fine that people are attracted to places where there is work and motivated to leave places where there is no work.
If you are arguing that an influx of people on its own creates jobs then I think you are misguided.
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