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UK photographers: the law and your rights: discussion

Discussion in 'photography, graphics & art' started by editor, Feb 10, 2007.

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More photography laws?

  1. Yes

    1.5%
  2. No

    88.9%
  3. Restrict it to professionals

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Create a license/register for it

    2.2%
  5. Am busy stalking someone click......click

    7.4%
  1. what

    what Well-Known Member

    I haven't been for a while but last time I was in cyberdog that had a pretty big sign at the entrance and loads more around the shop saying no photos. This I believe is to do with the copyright more than the H&S as in the past they have had a lot of people try to rip off their designs. Didn't they have quite a spat with the market and a trader who was selling T shirts very similar to their flashing programmable LED T Shirts a few years ago?
     
  2. stephen hardy

    stephen hardy New Member

    My gripe isn't with the not taking photographs part. I would have been more than happy not to do so if asked politely. The thing that got my back up was being aggresive forced to delete them as though I was some kind of criminal.

    I really never expected something like that to happen in the uk, espeically in a shop whom I imagine aim to appeal to the more liberal types of clientele and brand themselves as anti-establishment types.

    That said not sure why they're getting so hung up on taking photos either. Do they also expect people not to wear their clothes in public too?! (although to be fair I can't imagine many people have the balls to do so looking at the state of some of the stuff they sell)
     
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  3. stephen hardy

    stephen hardy New Member

    Just spoke with the store manager. She was very apologetic and confirmed it wasn't store policy to force people to delete pictures. Seems like it was just a lone store assistant acting like a dick.
     
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  4. fractionMan

    fractionMan Custom Title

    This is mental reasoning. If I wanted to do that, I'd invest in a fucking t-shirt and take photos/send it over. As if banning photography is going to stop people copying their shitty fucking designs, that are also on their shitty fucking website anyway. :facepalm:
     
  5. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    all reasoning is mental: think about it.
     
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  6. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Good for you for taking this up with them.
     
  7. fractionMan

    fractionMan Custom Title

    :facepalm:
     
  8. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    There are not enough facepalms

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/bbc-man-in-terror-quiz-for-photographing-st-pauls-sunset-6714008.html
     
  9. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

  10. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Must protect St Pauls!
     
  11. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    She'd have been told to piss right off if that was me.
     
  12. Cbx63

    Cbx63 New Member

    Hi Just thought I’d share a little incident that happened yesterday in North Wales near the Ponderosa Cafe on the Horse shoe pass Llangollen. It’s very popular with bikers so I thought I would ride down there and try and take some action shots of the bikes coming round the corners.I purposely left my white ex-police bike in the car park and walked down to the bend, stood on a corner where i was visible from quite a distance from both directions so as not to cause alarm. Boy was i wrong after the only the 5 mins i was challenge by a bloke who rode past turned round and came back , demanding me to show him I.D and saying that i wasn’t allowed to take photos of him or his bike. Of course i politely said yes i am and wouldn’t show him any I.D, so he sat on his bike trying to block my view. When that didn’t work he decided to get of his bike and try to confiscate my camera which of course wasn’t going to happen so he swung a punch at me, needless to say the police was called but he'd scarped by the time I’d finished on the phone and i missed the shot of number plate while scrambling back up the banking.
     
  13. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    That's the first time I've heard of somebody who _wasn't_ a copper demanding to see ID for taking a photo. Perhaps he was off duty.
     
  14. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Perhaps he was lacking something. Something like insurance or a valid drivers licence :)
     
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  15. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member


    Unlawful arrest UK, Farnborough airshow 2012.
     
  16. RoyReed

    RoyReed Must fly!

    Police Threaten Press Photographer
     
  17. socialist

    socialist Chrematomisiast

    Can anyone tell me if the police have a right to sieze your memory card or camera while taking photos at the scene of a crime (attempted murder) in a public place (a street) with victim, police, ambulances etc present? SD card was taken by the police and reason given for seizure was there "might be evidence" in the photos. Just wondered if I had to hand it over. I might have been willing to take the SD card to the local nick after copying the contents, but the memory card (or both camera and card) were demanded there and then. A link to an authoritative source would be handy so I can print something off in case the situation comes up again.
     
  18. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    Police and criminal evidence act
     
  19. socialist

    socialist Chrematomisiast


    So the police can sieze a memory card (or camera) in that sort of situation? I just found a comment from ACPO to officers that says "Once an image has been recorded, the police have no power to delete or confiscate it without a court order."​
     
  20. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

    Absolutely not. They need a court order, and ACPO are right (oddly enough).

    See "special procedure material" in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, and here.
     
  21. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    On Sunday I was photographing autumn foliage and parked near the gate of an army base to photograph a particularly nice tree, red in its autumn leaves. This morning two plain clothes policemen arrived and asked if this was my car? yes. And was I near XYZ base on the 18th? possibly says I. What were you doing? photographing trees, ok, would it be ok to see the photos? don't see why not I said and led them to my office where I showed them the photos of the tree. They seemed satisfied and duly left.
     
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  22. mhendo

    mhendo Aussie in San Diego

    What geniuses!

    Because, of course, it would have been impossible for you to take pictures of the tree AND pictures of the army base, and then transfer the army base pictures to a different device. The fact that you took a picture of a tree is, apparently, conclusive proof that you're not a terrorist.

    At least you can sleep soundly at night, knowing that these are the people looking out for your security and your rights.
     
  23. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

    Did you quote them a price for a nice "giclée print"?
     
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  24. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Don't say that, they might be reading this and they might come back :)
     
  25. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    No, unfortunately the pictures are not that great. What I was really looking for was an autumn spread of colour but when I saw the tree I thought I may as well have a bit of that while I am here.
    xxxxDSCF0401.jpg
     
  26. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Incidentally, someone did mention that I got away with it because I am white and British. Others who don't share these charachteristics may not be so lucky.
     
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  27. pogofish

    pogofish Testicle Hairstyle

    I see the police here are still viewing photographers as "suspicious":

     
  28. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    God forbid anyone should want to take a picture of a bridge. No tourist would ever do that certainly.
     
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  29. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    I like "Evasive answers to common boating questions" too.

    "Is that a ketch or a sloop?"
    "Er, sorry, I don't know anything about boats."
    *sends email*
     
  30. sim667

    sim667 Licking windows on the 303 bus.

    I know quite a lot about boats, but dont have a fucking clue what a ketch or a sloop is?
     

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