UK needs it’s own GPS system post Brexit?

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by anulado, Oct 13, 2018.

  1. anulado

    anulado New Member

    So according to the article, UK will start work on its own satellite navigation system for when Brexit happens. It seems UK will be out of the European Galileo GPS. I understand that bit. What I don’t understand is how have we managed til now...the European system is still very new and not quite fully operational yet. But UK has managed fine for years. My understanding is we have always used the US GPS service. So what’s happening. If we have been using the US system, why were we even bothering to switch to the European system? And why can’t we continue using the US system, rather than design our own one?

    GPS explained.
    Satellite navigation - Wikipedia
  2. 19sixtysix

    19sixtysix Life as viewed from a Gay Gorbals Garret

    A system just for us system has two uses. It will allow tracking of citizens by injection of receiver under the skin and allow the government to start the Royal Space Force.
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  3. magneze

    magneze mnemonic beef

    Sound like potentially a huge boost to the orienteering industry.
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  4. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    I thought there was only one gps systen worldwide :confused: Won't a new one need a whole new network of satellites?
  5. 2hats


    There are four separate global navigation satellite systems (GPS != GNSS; GPS is one of many GNSS) and a few regional ones as well. Galileo provides the high precision service to all users at no charge. The latest GNSS chipsets support GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, BeiDou and QZSS (both L1 and L5 signals). Ultimately it’s about political control and input into how the constellation is managed and where it is taken in the future (in the case of HMG’s spat with the EU over Galileo) and access to various technologies (ie keeping up with the tech).
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  6. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Radicalised hand-wringing liberal ultra-remainer.

    post-Brexit GPS :(

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  7. a_chap

    a_chap Much research has shown I am just fucking stupid

    Ooohh....forest :thumbs:
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  8. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    I suspect he means the just out of sight trail of breadcrumbs
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  9. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Radicalised hand-wringing liberal ultra-remainer.

    It's all about the moss :D
  10. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Radicalised hand-wringing liberal ultra-remainer.

    And here's the post-Brexit Met Office :-

    pine-cone-weather-station.png xanthe-3_1894211b.jpg

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  11. eatmorecheese

    eatmorecheese Be who you needed when you were younger

    I like maps. I look forward to using paper maps again to source my post-Brexit apocalypse rations :thumbs:
  12. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    This was a fair few months ago so I don't have the links but as I remember it was to do with security and military stuff. The technology falls under that so they won't share it with us.

    The four main satellite systems are US, Europe, China and Russia, of course.
  13. MickiQ

    MickiQ Well-Known Member

    The US GPS comes in 2 grades, civilian and military , the civilian grade is used for satnav and phones and the military grade (which is encrypted) is used for guiding cruise missiles, the whole kit and kaboodle though is under the control of the Pentagon and whilst they currently don't mind other people using the free one for whatever, they reserve the right to switch it off or degrade the signal either globally or locally whenever it suits them.
    The Galileo system also comes in civilian and military grade with the civilian being also free and the military being encrypted, but the great thing about Galileo is that (other than shooting the satellites down) the US can't monkey with it.
    When we voted to come out of the EU, the Commission threw a snit and said "You can't have the passwords to the military grade since you're leaving the club and it's for members only"
    May then threw a snit of her own and came back with "Sod you Junkers we don't need your cheese eating GPS, we'll build our own with good old British ingenuity and pluck not to mention string and old toilet roll tubes"
  14. 2hats


    Incorrect. The EU ultimately decided to operate on different frequencies to GPS to avoid having the US default to ASAT when they decide they want to deny use.
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  15. joustmaster

    joustmaster offcumdun

    Every time I drive past the sign for our national space centre, I spend the next half hour thinking about what we have done and what is in there...
    Maybe some sort of really long ladder that we thought we could use to get to the moon?

  16. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Whatever it is, I'm against it

    Fuck GPS anyway. Learn to read a map or fuck off.
  17. MickiQ

    MickiQ Well-Known Member

    It's a sort of museum discovery/centre place, we went years ago with the kids, it's worth a visit once if you have kids of the right age (say about 6 to 14) but it isn't the kind of place you'd ever go back
  18. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse In the AreA

    Lichen, not moss. Moss won’t tell you which way to go, moss will just tell you any old bollocks, lichen (like-en, not lich-hen) is the post-Brexit guiding star.
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  19. Poi E

    Poi E shameless

    :D Its optimistic, isn't it? I suspect there is a Dyson contribution to the space race in there. Other than that, what could it be?
  20. 2hats


    A lot of space engineering and astrophysics at the university which it is a joint venture with. The centre is focused on education/public understanding of (space) science.
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  21. joustmaster

    joustmaster offcumdun

    Yeah. I kind of figured that

    It's not as fun though

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