UCU - Pensions and Pay Disputes

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by SpackleFrog, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Yeah, I think that's how a lot of our members feel.

    Again, like with this UCU strike - if we all went out in support, then I think you'd see some action, but as it is...

    This was an interesting response. We've had slightly related difficulties in our branch, where we represent a number of different grades/roles and members' interests don't always match up.


     
  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    to be fair when there was the last he ballot it was something like the famous 52% in favour and 48% against. the reason the sge didn't pursue strike action was because of the narrow margin in the vote, as i recall. in the past unison strikes, though they have been in many ways symbolic, have won for members more than was intially on the table. i may not be a great fan of unison, but they're not all bad.
     
  3. Rosemary Jest

    Rosemary Jest Wrong and Unstable

    A bit like Brexit... :hmm:

    Yes, Unison aren't all bad, better than nothing at least and are fairly well represented in HE.

    Just wish there'd be some co-ordination between Unions, they do like to shoot themselves in the foot it seems.
     
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  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    last year and this year ucu have not coordinated their actions with unison or unite. it's been a cause for some comment down our way
     
  5. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Quite a bit being made of this.


     
  6. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    interesting things seem to be afoot today, some sense of a wind of change coming from Oxford (cheers 2hats), wonder how long this will go on for...
     
  7. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

  8. PursuedByBears

    PursuedByBears Go stick your head in a pig

    Strike banner_University.jpeg
    We should have this on our picket line!
     
  9. PursuedByBears

    PursuedByBears Go stick your head in a pig

    A film studies lecturer friend of mine shot and edited this little film of our picket line today

    Spot me at 1:10 looking cold in green coat & orange scarf!
     
  10. redcogs

    redcogs in the gutter beholding the stars

    More of a red/russet colour id say. Thanks for vid link PursuedByBeers and blinking good luck with the strike.

    You are gonna win!:thumbs:
     
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  11. PursuedByBears

    PursuedByBears Go stick your head in a pig

    Solidarity! I bloody well hope we're going to win! More and more of the VCs and employers are coming round to our position (on day 8 of the strike now) and it feels like we're making progress.

    The strike now seems to have gained a momentum of its own, it's no longer just about pensions, it also encompasses a massive feeling of FUCK YOU to all the marketisation agenda, all the thousand ways in which we're measured all day every day (REF/TEF), all the horrendous casualisation/low pay precariat of the RAs and hourly-paid lecturers etc etc. It's brought the professoriat and the junior and casual staff, and technical and professional staff like me, all together as one for the first time in a long time. FUCK YOU UUK and be afraid of the newly politicised monster you've helped to create! :cool:
     
  12. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    Oxford earlier, tweets about Cambridge tonight. The ride is turning. UUK lol like a pathetic shambles and I'm having so much fun on our picket :D
     
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  13. muscovyduck

    muscovyduck too school for cool

    I'm so confused - I'm trying to find out the strike dates over the next few weeks, are they different for different universities? I have the option to not cross a picket line if I plan ahead now
     
  14. PursuedByBears

    PursuedByBears Go stick your head in a pig

    We're out all week next week - the whole five working days. Anything else is up to UUK and their willingness to negotiate.

    Some (five?) uni's have different dates because they were re-ballotted and the FE colleges are also out on a different timetable I think?
     
  15. muscovyduck

    muscovyduck too school for cool

    Cheers!
     
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  16. Riklet

    Riklet procrastinación

    Hope the strikes continue with some good aggressive demands too now that they have these fuckers on the back foot.

    It's a travesty what's been happening in UK higher education.
     
  17. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

  18. PursuedByBears

    PursuedByBears Go stick your head in a pig

    Today's email from Sally Hunt at UCU says:
    "As things stand there is no agreement at Acas. Because of this our negotiators today sought and received the support of HEC for a further fourteen days of further strikes if no acceptable agreement is reached.

    These strikes, if they are needed, would be staged in such a way as to maximise disruption to the forthcoming exams and assessment period in USS institutions between April and June. HEC also agreed to sanction, if necessary, further strikes immediately after Easter in institutions where scheduled teaching continues. Strike pay will be available for any action undertaken."

    I guess that the employees aren't budging and this is to keep the pressure on.
     
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  19. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    Well as I see it UUK aren't going to budge quickly, because there would be serious questions asked of their purpose (rightly so, but they won't want it). The absolute contempt shown in this by UUK is quite stunning, and with the VCs who are asking to discuss being ignored I can see this being a turning point in HE. It's also showing those uni's who arse lick the whole neo-liberalism ideology too.

    Another 14 days would be awful for us, but fuck them. I'm really actually quite angry about this in a way I wasn't when I started. That's what happens when you talk to people you never normally see. I'm central services, and spending time forging relationships with academics in schools I never get to go to normally has been amazing.
     
  20. philosophical

    philosophical Well-Known Member

    Should students get a refund for cancelled lectures/contact time because Education has been turned into a commercial transaction? I heard that given the 9000 pounds a year, on one calculation each student is paying upwards of 100 pounds per lecture or tutorial.
    I suppose non contact situations such as 'marking' and access to resources could be assigned a monetary value too, but a student deserves some kind of delay repay situation from their institution I would have thought.
    Otherwise from the point of view of the student, money is demanded off them and nothing is delivered.
    If institutions have to repay to students, it might focus the minds of all those in power over their lives to re think if Education ought to be treated as a commercial enterprise.
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2018
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  21. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I've looked at life from both sides now

    Solidarity with striking UCU colleagues. Amazing work that is having an effect.
     
  22. heinous seamus

    heinous seamus til clay-cauld death shall blind my ee

    Turned back at the picket line this morning.
     
  23. heinous seamus

    heinous seamus til clay-cauld death shall blind my ee

    I told my boss I wasn't coming in and he said ' you know USS pension scheme doesn't affect you?'
    I said ' it affects my colleagues though'
    He replied 'true but they are much higher paid and can afford to lose a week's pay. Why don't you go for a coffee and come in at 10'

    :D
     
  24. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    pls show your working. and then fuck off.
     
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  25. philosophical

    philosophical Well-Known Member

    Bing
     
  26. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    if you want to be taken seriously then (for a start) give the source of this 'one calculation'. what subject does it refer to? and at what level? is it for an arts & humanities degree? or law? or science? do you really believe students have 3 lectures & tutorials a week?

    you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
     
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  27. philosophical

    philosophical Well-Known Member

    Really?
    Education has or is being transmogrified into a business, where the debate has been about fees relating to future earnings. Hence the justification for fees.
    If a student is patently paying for something they don't get, whatever the course, of whatever variable each bit of contact time comes to (minus the other costs like access to a library or lab, or dance studio or he infrastructure) in the context of Education as a business shouldn't they get some money back for missed contact time?
     
  28. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    so no source for your claim.
     
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  29. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    that's utter bollocks. 'the debate has been about fees relating to future earnings'? tosh. fees bear no relation to future earnings. do come back when you have an iota of an inkling of what you're on about.
     
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  30. philosophical

    philosophical Well-Known Member

    And no answer to my rather straightforward question.
     

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