UCU - Pensions and Pay Disputes

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by SpackleFrog, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    As I think was mentioned above, if UNISON aren't involved in the dispute, legally their members can't take action. We can support in our own time, either lunch hours, before/after work or taking leave, but we can't go out on strike with them. Not legally, anyway.

    edit: oh, or as heinous seamus said!
  2. stethoscope

    stethoscope Well-Known Member

    What Heinous has posted is the comms I've received from Unison. I'm using some of my time-in-leui and leave during the UCU action and will be supporting them picket at some point. Appreciate I'm in a more fortunate position than others though as academic related and personal circumstances - lots of people I know in Unison simply can't afford to take any action on their pay grades, etc.

    Higher Ed is structurally fucked, beyond actions over pensions/pay. Fuck Labour, Lib Dems and Tories for your successive education policies.
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  3. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    I've just had a quick check and unless I've missed something, I don't think members in our branch have even received that! :confused:
  4. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    Yeah we've had fuck all.:rolleyes:
  5. Rosemary Jest

    Rosemary Jest Wrong and Unstable

    Me too. The Unions really do need to work together on shit like this. :facepalm:
  6. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    We've voted to support UCU and won't be crossing any picket lines. Union membership should be irrelevant when it comes to facing disciplinary action.

    There's evidence to suggest that SAUL will enact equivalent changes if USS wins this, so there's good reasons for all HE staff to support this action.
  7. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    P.S. Fuck (some branches of) Unison.
  8. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    so no movement in the position - looks like we're definitely out, though that doesn't surprise me. If this goes to all 14 days it's going to be miserable :(
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  9. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    last time round i was the only unison member where i was to refuse to cross a picket line, and i got 1/260 iirc deducted but no disciplinary proceedings. this time round i'll refuse to cross if they have one where i work: but i doubt they will.
  10. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    No movement from UUK as a whole but we now have 8 VC's who have publicly criticised the DC pensions plan and asked for more talks, Essex VC writes in Times Higher here: Universities must pay more to protect pensions

    We're in uncharted territory in all honesty. The only two things I do know for sure are that the employers are divided, which they've never been before, and the strikes are going to be much stronger and well supported than in the past. I'm hoping that the first few days of action will lead to new talks and a better deal - though probably still a cut. It depends a lot what's going on inside UUK though - apparently it's mainly Oxford and Cambridge pushing for DC pensions: Oxford’s and Cambridge’s role in the demise of USS – Michael Otsuka – Medium

    I hope it doesn't go 14 days. But this is one of those things where we've not got a lot of choice, if we didn't take the action we'd lose all credibility. In fact I don't think they would have tried this at all if they didn't think based on previous strikes that the union is basically useless.

    Thanks for solidarity last time around Pickers - hopefully in future we'll be able to take action together more, it's frustrating these sectional disputes.
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  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    i seconded a motion at my branch committee which sees us donate more than £300 to the ucu strike fund - the solidarity's still there :)
  12. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    Brilliant! Cheers mate.
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  13. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Thanks comrade!
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  14. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    Received this from Uni today (edited to keep the highlights):

  15. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    It makes me chuckle really. We have head teachers (yes, a bit different, but the point is the same) piously intoning that taking a child out of school for a day to go on holiday, is a tragedy that will stunt the child's education for life. However, it would seem that industrial action days are magic, they don't harm the child's education. :D
  16. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    a) we're not school teachers
    b) school teachers aren't striking
    c) school attendance has fuck all to do with the schools themselves but a bullshit requirement set down by a government who have no understanding of causal relationships and rather than improving anything at all is just a good statistic (good for government, not for the children)
    d) I support my school striking and emailed the head asking if the school would be closing and that they had my support to do so last time they did

    but not sure what any of that has to do with this anyway
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2018
  17. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Thanks for that chilango, useful to see how different universities are handling the strikes.
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  18. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Have you even bothered to read a single post on this thread before posting this crap.
  19. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I've looked at life from both sides now

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  20. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    did you decide on what to do? I was all over the place until a couple of turning points (and that I need some time to finish my course and these days will come in handy :oops: )
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  21. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I've looked at life from both sides now

    I didn't need to decide (fortunately for me) as I'm in a post 1992 uni/pension
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  22. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    ahh :) then your solidarity is appreciated :)
  23. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    I'm not on strike, I'm a (part-time) student. Fully in support of the strike.
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  24. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    What a daft post.
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  25. PursuedByBears

    PursuedByBears Go stick your head in a pig

    I'm out but don't know if I'll be able to afford the full fourteen days. Quite disheartened at the large number of academics (all much better paid than me) who have no intention of striking or even seem to know that there is a strike. :mad:
  26. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    I hope it won't go full 14 days but take advantage of national strike pay, or local hardship funds if in a particularly bad spot. It is disheartening but I'd also say well organised branches can force the senior academics out. Build your branch for the future and see this as a step towards. Solidarity mate.
  27. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    we have lots of those too :mad:
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  28. 19force8

    19force8 For the avoidance of faith

    I'll be down the local(ish) uni tomorrow morning with a bit of the old physical solidarity (samosas or cup cakes probably - final decision when I get to the supermarket this afternoon).

    Might even learn something at one of their free university doodahs.
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  29. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    It's very quiet here, but it's half term (i know doesn't apply, but campus is always quiet during school holidays here) also, which seems to give many academics a reason to 'work from home' it may even be 'reading week' but I'm not sure. So not a very good date to choose really.
  30. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    Not sure it would have to be indefinite, but it's certainly a high stakes poker/not blinking game. I was on a reps training course in November and got the impression that senior figures in the (Northern) Region are very hostile to a marking ban (for the reasons you indicate).

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