UCU members in 61 universities vote for action against pension cuts - 14 days of strikes announced

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by SpackleFrog, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. redcogs

    redcogs in the gutter beholding the stars

    Not giving the uni managers an opportunity to drive a wedge between the students and the striking lecturers is an important thing to do i reckon, and getting students on board to protect pension provision might become a crucial aspect of the dispute. Backing the UCU makes sense from a student POV, they are after all engaged in the academic process, and all will want pensions eventually, and some will become academics themselves, so there is also some self interest involved. Old fashioned unity remains a strength, and who knows, many may begin to question why we have got our society locked into a situation where education is simply another commodity to be bought and sold just like a pound of carrots or a sack of manure.

    Education is a crucial right, and should be free, available through a system of GRANTS, not through fucking high interest rate loans etc.

    Thats how it used to be until the thieving free marketeers became dominant, and its how it can become again if our side starts to fight back. Victory to the UCU:thumbs::thumbs:
     
  2. Jeff Robinson

    Jeff Robinson Well-Known Member

  3. Wilf

    Wilf Aghast.

    On the student petition, I can see that it might add to the pressure on universities to do something, but it seems unfortunate using the language of consumerism to bring that pressure. Much better to get students actively involved in supporting the strike. I've also seen the petition described in ambiguous terms. There's this for example:
    70,000 students call for compensation over UCU lecturer strike
    Which has ProfessorChris Forde 'collecting' the petitions, whatever that means. He describes himself as a UCU member and does say the students are not 'explicitly' critical of UCU. But he then positions himself as a wise head, hoping 'the parties' come back to the table. FFS, if he's a UCU member, he's one of the parties.
     
  4. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    'Changes will affect pension security'

     
  5. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    we have students asking for a refund if a lecture gets cancelled because of any reason (including staff sickness) so the call for refunds doesn't surprise me at all. How that would ever work in reality, given it's a loan system, is anyones guess.
     
  6. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

  7. Jeff Robinson

    Jeff Robinson Well-Known Member

  8. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

  9. purenarcotic

    purenarcotic Conveniently Pocket Sized

    Solidarity to everyone out, hope you win.
     
  10. PursuedByBears

    PursuedByBears Go stick your head in a pig

  11. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

  12. Dowie

    Dowie Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure why loans should make any difference at all?

    Not all students have loans anyway (international students for example or just rich UK students), I think the main factor is just the level of fees they paid - UK vs International for English universities, Scottish and EU(minus rest of UK) vs rest of UK vs International for Scottish universities etc..
     
  13. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

  14. Shippou-Sensei

    Shippou-Sensei 4:1:2.5

    I'm (UCU) striking next week. FE pay is a joke.
     
  15. Shippou-Sensei

    Shippou-Sensei 4:1:2.5

  16. marty21

    marty21 One on one? You're crazy.

    I did the PGCE (FE) in 94/95 , had a mini crisis as I was about to turn 30 and decided FE was the answer :facepalm: couldn't get any full-time jobs when I started applying on 95 , all that seemed to be available was a few hours a week at various FE colleges and I couldn't be arsed tbh :oops: I wouldn't have been paid in the summer/easter/Christmas. Is it still the same ?
     
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  17. doodlelogic

    doodlelogic arbitrary message here

    It’s all oxbridges fault apparently. Vast majority of unis supported continued defined benefit with higher employer and employee contributions but every Oxford and Cambridge college responded to the pension trustees individually so “41% of employers” objected to the DB scheme continuing. Most of the colleges only have a couple of dozen employees.
     
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  18. Shippou-Sensei

    Shippou-Sensei 4:1:2.5

    It can be patchy as fuck. Just did my tax. £8200 total earnings before tax.
     
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  19. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Cambridge VC has just announced that they support re-opening the negotiations so hopefully the tide is turning.

    Good luck with your strike next week Shippou-Sensei. Going be a bloody cold week to be picketing.
     
  20. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    They better not call off next week I need the study time :oops:
     
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  21. PursuedByBears

    PursuedByBears Go stick your head in a pig

    :hmm: I've made plans too...
     
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  22. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    I'm really quite up shit creek without a paddle if they do :D though I will have enough money to eat so you know, swings and roundabouts I guess :D
     
  23. 2hats

    2hats

  24. doodlelogic

    doodlelogic arbitrary message here

    That article has a common basic misunderstanding which makes me sure unfortunately that the author doesn’t understand economics (so I can’t trust what they say on pensions).

    “Unfortunately gilt yields are very low, and likely to remain low, thanks to Quantitative Easing (see below) undermining the UK Government’s credit rating and sterling value.”
     
  25. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    Solidarity mate, I hope it goes well.

    I think we're gonna win this y'kno guys. 18 VC's now calling for fresh talks. Just need to keep everybody solid.
     
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  26. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

    I strongly suspect that these calls for talks are just a feint, intended to split the movement. So it'll have to continue until next week, at least.
     
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  27. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

    I don't know what they do to the enemy, but by god they frighten me:

    [​IMG]
     
  28. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    Definitely - they want to stop the strike without really conceding much. Can't stop the strikes now. We should push for picket lines to be even stronger on monday because of this meeting called Tuesday and my branch is gonna call a second local demo - had 4 or 5 hundred members and students on the one yesterday
     
  29. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    God help us all!
     
  30. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    WTF even is that?
     

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