Ubuntu 8.04 Linux LTS

[jæd]

Mind you it's only been almost a week since it's release. If I remember Gutsy was the worst release for bugs when it first came out. Now it's pretty much perfect. Hardy will get there.

The only niggle I've encoutered was a work machine that was upgraded from Gutsy and on login the keyboard didn't work. Took a while to realise the "use slow keys" option was ticked which was slowing down all responses from the keyboard.

Unticking the box solved the problem...

 

[stdPikachu]

Damned double post. Fucking idiots running the network...

 

[stdPikachu]

I'm finding this really handy, and its saved my bacon at work a few times now. (ie, finding that handy site on xyz I saw a week ago, etc)

Personally, I find it really distracting and fundamental app breakage. I'm used to using the search bar to search for things and using the address bar to put addresses in. The fact that it takes up half the screen with gaudy flashiness and is being forced down my throat makes it more galling. I don't like being told how to use an application, I like to customise it to my own liking. By all means put an "awesome" bar in, just give me the option to turn it off (it was present in earlier betas but was removed). As a further aside, cut the cutesey language like "I'll be careful, I promise!" in about:config. It sounds unprofessional and patronising.

As an even further aside, I didn't find the search useful at all as it seemed to have major problems with relevance, and typing in "w" brought up every site with a www in the address field. I think a "search your history" option in a menu would be handier. But what do I know? I'm just one of those power users who are apparently no longer important or relevant to key Linux projects.

 

[jæd]

Personally, I find it really distracting and fundamental app breakage. I'm used to using the search bar to search for things and using the address bar to put addresses in. The fact that it takes up half the screen with gaudy flashiness and is being forced down my throat makes it more galling.

Perhaps you either have a really small screen, or you're exgagerating...

As an even further aside, I didn't find the search useful at all as it seemed to have major problems with relevance, and typing in "w" brought up every site with a www in the address field. I think a "search your history" option in a menu would be handier. But what do I know?

Not really : the results are based on your behaviour when clicking on the results given. Eg, my results for "w", are whois.lala domain, news.bbc.co.uk, and then www.lala domains.

How it works : http://ed.agadak.net/2007/11/smartbar-to-awesomebar

I'm just one of those power users who are apparently no longer important or relevant to key Linux projects.

Why not file a bug...?

 

[stdPikachu]

Perhaps you either have a really small screen, or you're exgagerating...

Only machine I've upgraded to Hardy at the moment is a laptop with a 1280x800 screen. Don't know if that counts as "really small" (my desktops are 1920x1200 and 3360x1080) but it did take up half the screen.

Not really : the results are based on your behaviour when clicking on the results given. Eg, my results for "w", are whois.lala domain, news.bbc.co.uk, and then www.lala domains.

How it works : http://ed.agadak.net/2007/11/smartbar-to-awesomebar

I'm aware how it works, but in the 30 or so URL's I typed in, it didn't give me the address I was looking for once, so I never clicked on anything - and when I'm typing, why would I want to shift to the mouse. I don't want to have to teach the computer how I work, especially not when I have to do it over fifty bloody computers. It should just let me work and be able to get the hell outta my way. I use the address bar alot, and if the answer isn't within one or two presses of the down cursor, I'm just going to continue typing.

Why not file a bug...?

Other people have already tried and been told not to bother, because it's not going away and you're not going to get an option to restore a simple address bar. You're a retard if you don't like the way the new system works.

 

[jæd]

Other people have already tried and been told not to bother, because it's not going away and you're not going to get an option to restore a simple address bar. You're a retard if you don't like the way the new system works.

Well, a quick search (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=awesome+bar) only shows https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=426099 that mentions this issue, and don't see any accusations of being a retard...

As a "power-user" your options are:
* Add support to a bugzilla case and hope the RC supports it.
* Develop an extension to change the bar.
* Use a different browser. This isn't Windows...

 

[stdPikachu]

Well, a quick search (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=awesome+bar) only shows https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=426099 that mentions this issue, and don't see any accusations of being a retard...

I was primarily referring to th enumerous forums posts on the issue where people were told they were retards. This rather lengthy thread at mozllazine serves as a good example.

As a "power-user" your options are:
* Add support to a bugzilla case and hope the RC supports it.
* Develop an extension to change the bar.
* Use a different browser. This isn't Windows...

I'm already an avid Opera user, but I have to keep FF hanging about for sites that only test their JS with IE and FF. There's already an extension that gives us the option of a sane address bar, mostly.

If you search the closed bugs as well, you'll see there have already been bugzilla requests about it that have been dismissed out of hand.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413211
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=417213

Reason I'm getting pissed off is that FF is turning in to the latest in a line of OSS projects that have adopted the "we're right, you're not important enough to even be wrong" style of development. How very bazaar.

 

[jæd]

Reason I'm getting pissed off is that FF is turning in to the latest in a line of OSS projects that have adopted the "we're right, you're not important enough to even be wrong" style of development. How very bazaar.

Not really. If you don't like it then why not fork it, or produce yet another browser using the Gecko engine...? There's already a couple to choose from... I thought this was the point of open-source...? If there's enough to agree with you then you should be able to get some help with it...

From the forum link it looks like dev's are saying its a "beta, don't worry, we'll fix it later...". Which is the same thing I would be saying...

Oh, and at least one of the bugs is a dupe (which was why it was closed quickly)

 

[cybertect]

As it happens, I installed 8.04 under Parallels VM on my MacBook Pro last night for a bit of fun.

Having a little trouble getting screen resolution beyond 1152 x 700, but that may be Parallels being a bit behind the curve with the new version of X11. Everything else seems to work as advertised.

First time I've used a desktop distro (as opposed to on my servers at work where I spend all my time on the command line) in the better part of a decade.

All a bit different from the ancient desktop environments that I'm used to. Where's my Fvwm and AfterStep?

 

[stdPikachu]

From the forum link it looks like dev's are saying its a "beta, don't worry, we'll fix it later...". Which is the same thing I would be saying...

Beta means that the functionality (or lack of it) should already be in place. Beta is for bug fixing. And the bugzilla link shows that it's never going to be fixed, it's been removed for an unfathomable, unmentionable reason.

Afraid I've always found the "just fork it" excuse a bit of a lame one, as I'm no coder, and neither are most people using Linux these days. True, it's certainly an option, it'd just be nice to have some devs who weren't so seemingly dismissive of their users opinions.

 

[boskysquelch]

today in FF3 audio works...but vlc audio doesn't.

 

[jæd]

Afraid I've always found the "just fork it" excuse a bit of a lame one, as I'm no coder, and neither are most people using Linux these days. True, it's certainly an option, it'd just be nice to have some devs who weren't so seemingly dismissive of their users opinions.

Heh : its happened to Pidgin (http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/04/30/1822237.shtml). Though I must admit I'm wondering why they didn't make it a compile option...

 

[stdPikachu]

Aye, so I saw. Pidgin devs have had a bit of a god complex for far, far too long though and it was only a matter of time.