UAF vs UAF!!

[cockneyrebel]

Personally I can see what Joe Black is saying. It is all a joke. If it was just an argument that got out of hand then it's bollox (but I still can't see why SWPers on here can't say, even in principle, that it would be stupid to threaten legal action).

But from what Revo/WP put out it sounded like there had been an official threat of legal action from UAFs centre.

All in all, a bit bizarre whatever way you look at it....

 

[Nigel]

So what has actually happened about it?
What did they do?

 

[cockneyrebel]

Three SWP members came down with shotguns and blew away four Workers Power members before getting MI5 to throw another three of them in Guantanemo Bay. Shocking stuff.

MK12 came out with a statement condemning violence in the workers movement.

 

[nwnm]

just shotguns? I'll have you know we bought a nice consignment of tanks off the CPB recently, on account of the fact that they needed the money for the ppps; and they no longer have enough people to drive them. <Some of their older members have had their licences revoked as well>

 

[audiotech]

just shotguns? I'll have you know we bought a nice consignment of tanks off the CPB recently, on account of the fact that they needed the money for the ppps;

Really, even now when their leader has just sold a nice paint job for tens of millions?

 

[nwnm]

she's spending it on a holiday home in Wales.......New South wales

 

[Nigel]

The chances of SWP actually winning a physical confrontation with anyone(except AWL but it does'nt really count) is next to nothing.

So its a load of bollox then?

 

[Nigel]

What next for militant fascism up north!!!!

 

[audiotech]

The chances of SWP actually winning a physical confrontation with anyone(except AWL but it does'nt really count) is next to nothing.

So its a load of bollox then?

It's not about physical confrontation by the SWP, or anyone else for that matter - that would be a really dumb move.

Anyone know what's happened to the Lancaster UAF blog?

 

[Nigel]

It was a joke.
Carrying on from the previous threads.
Sorry you took it the wrong way.

 

[audiotech]

It was a joke.

Was it really!

 

[nwnm]

The chances of SWP actually winning a physical confrontation with anyone(except AWL but it does'nt really count) is next to nothing.

So its a load of bollox then?

Its not the winning its the taking apart that counts

 

[Nigel]

AWL: I love it when you get angry.

Do you reckon there is some sort of Masochistic tendency with AWL members, to wind various left wing orgs. up and get attacked by individuals in them both physically and verbally, by individuals who could'nt punch there way out of a paper bag.

One individual managed to almost get beaten up by Oxford YCL, a literal impossibility.

Why do people hate the AWL so much, there not that much worse than any other sect, is it a personality thing?

 

[JimPage]

What next for militant fascism up north!!!!

yes. the real issue for leeds antifascists is why they allowed the BNP to increase their vote in Morley South from 3.8% in 2000 to 32.9% in 2006

internal squabbling like this is laugable if it wasnt so serious

 

[Mr T]

My sources tell me that a meeting of Leeds Uni UAF today voted to expel Revo members from the group, presumably for spreading what they saw as a pack of lies around about UAF! Nothing about on the Revo or WP sites as yet - I'm sure the press release is eagerly awaited!

 

[Taxamo Welf]

Do you reckon there is some sort of Masochistic tendency with AWL members, to wind various left wing orgs. up and get attacked by individuals in them both physically and verbally, by individuals who could'nt punch there way out of a paper bag.

One individual managed to almost get beaten up by Oxford YCL, a literal impossibility.

Why do people hate the AWL so much, there not that much worse than any other sect, is it a personality thing?

hmm, well they do have a column in their paper called writing onj the wall where they slag everyone else off. Not in a sad IBT way, in a even slightly u75 way - ha ha what a bunch of fruitloops - kinda way.

They also seem to be pretty contrarian and talk about how bonkers the left are -whilst participating fully within the left! Surely a way to create conflict.

Anarchists just say what they like on web forums nobody will ever see

 

[Nigel]

To be honest i get on alright with AWL members.
They do however manage to get in some scrapes.
Remember going to Marxism once where the SWP sent down a load of meatheads to sabotage the meeting. never saw anything so hilarious in my life(well actually i have).

 

[cockneyrebel]

This total farce gets even worse.....



And it does seem that UAF did threaten legal action (given this post is from a SWSS member). A totally stupid thing to do, whatever the circumstances. Surely SWP members can at least say that?

So much for your majority in Leeds Uni UAF, considering the vote was something like 13 in favour of expelling revo and about 6 against (all revso) And among that 13, just 3 were swss members I believe.

And *****, SWP didn't threaten anyone with legal action, it was Unite.

Unite did this because a two individuals part of revo, put out a leaflet implying UAF was supporting the building of the People's Assembly Against Islamophobia without consulting anyone else.

Other uaf activists on campus refused to be on the stall when that leaflet was being handed out and an exec officer asked for the leaflets not to be handed out. The leaflets were put away. But then a press release was put out by revo which ended up on stormfront white nationalist webboard. The nazis are now gloating about splits in the anfti fascist movement and uaf as an organisation just because of the actions of a tiny irrelevent fringe group who can afford to do things like this because they are too irrelevant to actually shoulder any consequences. Someone who might shoulder consequences is the only Muslim on the leeds uni exec who's name is now on stormfront thanks to revolution.

Remember last year when the white non muslim comms officer received death threats? And how just a week or two ago several UAF members were physically assaulted. Not a clever move and it was so concerning that NUS Black Students' officer felt compelled to pay a personal visist to today;s meeting to make a special intervention.

So after attacking UAF for a year, after undermining it every step of the way,giving the Nazis confidence and putting peoples' safety at risk, finally you are no longer part of leeds uni uaf, an organisation which now can look forward to getting on with fighting the BNP.

 

[cockneyrebel]

What makes me laugh about this as much as anything is the suggestion at the end that the UAF is being effective, in any real sense, at stopping the BNP.......

 

[fanciful]

Indeed, you wonder if any of these people are serious. Clearly its nonsense to "threaten" Revo with legal action and nonsense to expel them from UAF, they could just as easily been removed from the offices if they weren't doing what the members wanted and the absurd amalgam painted above, where Revo are responsible for possible threats by Nazis against a Muslim NUS officer is worst of all.
But unfortunately by their sectarianism, manifested most clearly in their abstention during the council elections last year, asserting that it didn't matter if the BNP got elected in Morley, Revo discredited militant anti-fascism and allowed the bureaucrats of Unite to use this affair take their revenge.
When they have time to reflect on this sorry series of events hopefully they'll learn something.

 

[cockneyrebel]

What makes this all the more funny is that UAF had a stall at the Islamophobia event and Weyman Bennett spoke at it as a UAF representative!!

Also what's the "health and safety" nonsense, it's not like names of exec officers at unis aren't in the public domain already.

 

[JimPage]

What makes me laugh about this as much as anything is the suggestion at the end that the UAF is being effective, in any real sense, at stopping the BNP.......

Valid point. Despite being an SWP front- UAF would be worth supporting if they were doing what they said on the tin- being an organistation which was Uniting against Fascism. They are as much as failure in this regard as their previous ANL re-incarnation

 

[Nigel]

Ultra Leftists(Revo) v Centrists(Unite/SWP)
The same old story.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

Indeed, you wonder if any of these people are serious. Clearly its nonsense to "threaten" Revo with legal action and nonsense to expel them from UAF, they could just as easily been removed from the offices if they weren't doing what the members wanted and the absurd amalgam painted above, where Revo are responsible for possible threats by Nazis against a Muslim NUS officer is worst of all.
But unfortunately by their sectarianism, manifested most clearly in their abstention during the council elections last year, asserting that it didn't matter if the BNP got elected in Morley, Revo discredited militant anti-fascism and allowed the bureaucrats of Unite to use this affair take their revenge.
When they have time to reflect on this sorry series of events hopefully they'll learn something.

aha ah ha haa haaaa

 

[TopCat]

It didn't help matters when Livingstone derided the then leading spokesperson of ARA.

According to Edward Pilkington, writing in The Guardian March 22 1995, Anti-Racist Alliance was brought to the brink of collapse at the end of 1994 by a war of words between Ken Livingstone and Marc Wadsworth. Livingstone claimed Wadsworth was trying to run the Alliance as his fiefdom; Wadsworth countered that Livingstone was a "white supremacist". Such acrimony, asserts Pilkington, has undermined the ability of groups to provide positive leadership and a focal point for sections of the black community still disadvantaged and unrepresented.

The other problem was the Socialist Workers' Party dictating terms - thinking that it was the only group that knew the best way to organise against fascism (this claim based on the organisations activities during the late 70's).

It turned out that the SWP's experience from that time became a problem, because they tried to fit the tactics of then into the 1990's and beyond.

The ARA was a fucking joke. they were opportunistic carrerists nothing more.

 

[Josh FG]

The Unite office has threatened no one with legal action indeed when challenged Jame Bouden (who made the accusation couldn't even name the UAF member who threatened such action and the office was never called to clarify such a position). The decision by the local groupe (as far as I understand it I wasn't at the meeting) that as the positions in leeds UAF had been used by the members to attack the anti fascist movement they should be expelled from those positions (not UAF or even Leeds UAF just the student one).

 

[TopCat]

Who cares? The UAF are utterly irrelevant.

 

[cockneyrebel]

The Unite office has threatened no one with legal action indeed when challenged Jame Bouden (who made the accusation couldn't even name the UAF member who threatened such action and the office was never called to clarify such a position). The decision by the local groupe (as far as I understand it I wasn't at the meeting) that as the positions in leeds UAF had been used by the members to attack the anti fascist movement they should be expelled from those positions (not UAF or even Leeds UAF just the student one).

ROFLMAO.....it gets better and better.....what a joke.....

Drum roll please. We sentence these people to 12 months in a gulag. Their crime, to publicly name someone who is already publicly named. And, even more seriously, they advertsied an event about Islamophobia on a UAF leaflet........an event, which, guess what folks, UAF had a stall and a speaker at.....

Seriously, you couldn't make this shit up......

 

[Nigel]

Death To The Post-cliffite Counter Revolutionaries!!@

Should we call for the expulsion of the Leeds Student UAF who called for the expulsion of the Revo members in Leeds UAF.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

i still think the biggest joke is UAF having anything to do with 'islamaphobia' in the first place!