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U.S. Plans New Bases in the Middle East

Backatcha Bandit said:
Did I say that?

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Gary Hart seems to think they should 'End this Evasion on Permanent Army Bases in Iraq'. What do you think, Yam?
I think that the Huffinpuff is an ongoing clown show, I think that Gary Hart is nobody, and I think that the article you linked to is a triviality swaddled in pompous blather. (Gary Hart's entire political career is a triviality swaddled in pompous blather, but you can certainly be forgiven for not knowing this.)

Yes the US has built and is building military bases in Iraq. To expect otherwise is retarded. To pretend to expect otherwise is u75.

The US has had over 100,000 troops in Iraq for three years now. Where do they live? Where do they keep and service their equipment? Where do they plan and stage their operations? At military bases. I try to understand you people. I really do. But what the fuck?

So apparently the issue is permanency. Well, nothing is permanent. (Haven't we all re-read Ozymandias several times since 9/11?) But one hopes that the bases are well-constructed and thus durable. Why not?

All along our strategy has been to stand down as the Iraqis stand up. The Iraqi military will need bases, just like any military does, including ours. It makes no sense to expect the US to leave behind an Iraq free of military bases, and thus it makes no sense to claim that base construction by the US is evidence that we do not intend ever to leave.
 
TAE said:
The iraqi army had no bases before the US invaded?
People who are not retarded understand that Iraq's existing bases sustained extensive damage during OIF, and were pretty much crap prior to that anyway.

What passes for discourse on this site is a disgrace to the UK.
 
rogue yam said:
People who are not retarded understand that Iraq's existing bases sustained extensive damage during OIF, and were pretty much crap prior to that anyway.

What passes for discourse on this site is a disgrace to the UK.

We like to think so.

Now, have you got anything worthwhile to say, or are you just going to continue to fart out insults?
 
ViolentPanda said:
We like to think so.

Now, have you got anything worthwhile to say, or are you just going to continue to fart out insults?
Your implicit claim that I did not reply substantively to TAE's post is an obvious lie. What is truly disgraceful is that there is not one leftist poster on this site who will call you on it. You all suck ass.
 
rogue yam said:
Your implicit claim that I did not reply substantively to TAE's post is an obvious lie. What is truly disgraceful is that there is not one leftist poster on this site who will call you on it. You all suck ass.

More wind.

If you don't like this site and the people who post here you're free to fuck off any time you like, chickenhawk.
 
rogue yam said:
Your implicit claim that I did not reply substantively to TAE's post is an obvious lie. What is truly disgraceful is that there is not one leftist poster on this site who will call you on it. You all suck ass.

Remind me again yammie? When are will you be supporting your beloved 'American Warriors' by joining up?
 
rogue yam said:
People who are not retarded understand that Iraq's existing bases sustained extensive damage during OIF, and were pretty much crap prior to that anyway.
Did your guys meet that much resistance? Or did they bomb it anyway?
 
rogue yam said:
People who are not retarded understand that Iraq's existing bases sustained extensive damage during OIF, and were pretty much crap prior to that anyway.

Well, Well!! And how does momma's boy know this for sure?
Psychic powers, perhaps?
 
rogue yam said:
Al Qaeda. Moron.

Heh, mears is cleverer than you, he kept quiet. That is precisely the answer i wanted, and you gave it to me.

Just look at that then eh rogue, here, take a look man and compare the two:

Al Qaida = perhaps about 5000 deaths.

USG = perhaps about 15,000,000 deaths.

Which is the bigger terrorist rogue?
 
fela fan said:
Heh, mears is cleverer than you, he kept quiet. That is precisely the answer i wanted, and you gave it to me.
You are out of your mind. If your post represents some great achievement for you which you schemed to get then I genuinely feel sorry for you.
 
rogue yam said:
What passes for discourse on this site is a disgrace to the UK.

What you consider to be discourse is an insult to all decent Americans.

Perhas you think chucking out insults like "retard" passes for discussion. I've got news for you: it does not.
 
fela fan said:
Heh, mears is cleverer than you, he kept quiet. That is precisely the answer i wanted, and you gave it to me.

Just look at that then eh rogue, here, take a look man and compare the two:

Al Qaida = perhaps about 5000 deaths.

USG = perhaps about 15,000,000 deaths.

Which is the bigger terrorist rogue?

But the invasion of Iraq ended the sanctions regime. I thought that program was killing tens of thousands of Iraqis?
 
mears said:
But the invasion of Iraq ended the sanctions regime. I thought that program was killing tens of thousands of Iraqis?

My, you're a generous one - aren't you? Sanctions may have ended on the day of the invasion - so what? Before the invasion, the country was being routinely bombed by US and UK warplanes. It's funny how you and your chickenhawk pals ignore that. I guess it just doesn't do to tell the whole story lest your shaky thesis be blown from the water.
 
mears said:
I would assume you supported the west working with Saddam because you were against the 2003 war and sanctions. What other policy was left?

Supporting forces inside Iraq to rid the country of Saddam?

I can go along with that.
how about this; accepting that it is NOT the job of the USA - or anyone other than the Iraqi people - to decide what happens in iraq, or in any other nation 000's of miles from its' shores, based upon the recognition that government, in the final analysis, rests upon the consent of the governed.
you may possibly have heard of this notion in the past....
....it's called 'self-determination'.
 
rogue yam said:
You are out of your mind. If your post represents some great achievement for you which you schemed to get then I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Reserve your sympathy for yourself. Self-delusion is a terrible affliction.

You were easily tricked, and furthermore when it's pointed out to you that you were a simple fool, you couldn't even hold your hands up.

And tell me, who is a bigger terrorist, bush or obl? The USGs or the al Qaida?

Meanwhile as you're working out the answer, wipe all that egg off your face.
 
mears said:
But the invasion of Iraq ended the sanctions regime. I thought that program was killing tens of thousands of Iraqis?

Saddam was behind those sanctions was he?

No, i think we both know that it was your country that instigated those criminal sanctions. And yes, it was about half a million children that died due to the US sanctions, and surely you remember madelaine albright saying she thought it was an acceptable price to pay.

To get this clear, that was an american politician saying that their foreign policy strategies were more important than HALF A MILLION children's lives.

Iraq used to be quite a developed country. Your country has pushed it back to relative stone age. What a great achievement. But hey, at least YOUR bombs meant you could stop YOUR sanctions against the country. My, what kind and compassionate people you are mears.
 
Some news:

Rice Dismisses Talk of U.S. Bases in Iraq
...or does she?
WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Tuesday brushed aside suggestions that the United States wants an indefinite troop presence and permanent military bases in Iraq.

"The presence in Iraq is for a very clear purpose, and that's to enable Iraqis to be able to govern themselves and to create security forces that can help them do that," Rice told the House Appropriations Committee's foreign operations panel.

"I don't think that anybody believes that we really want to be there longer than we have to," the chief U.S. diplomat added.

However, Rice did not say when all U.S. forces would return home and did not directly answer Rep. Steven Rothman, D-N.J., when he asked, "Will the bases be permanent or not?"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060404/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
 
mears said:
But the invasion of Iraq ended the sanctions regime. I thought that program was killing tens of thousands of Iraqis?
and wasn't needed in the first place, given the strong evidence that the WMDs were destroyed before 1995
 
fela fan said:
Saddam was behind those sanctions was he?

No, i think we both know that it was your country that instigated those criminal sanctions. And yes, it was about half a million children that died due to the US sanctions, and surely you remember madelaine albright saying she thought it was an acceptable price to pay.

To get this clear, that was an american politician saying that their foreign policy strategies were more important than HALF A MILLION children's lives.

Iraq used to be quite a developed country. Your country has pushed it back to relative stone age. What a great achievement. But hey, at least YOUR bombs meant you could stop YOUR sanctions against the country. My, what kind and compassionate people you are mears.

Mears is impossible because when it comes to bad things the US does, it's always someone elses fault. That's the thing with 'US Freedom Lite' it allows you and your government to do as you wish, yet at no point do you have to question the morality of say, killing 500,000 Iraqis.

Imagine Mears's reaction if those 500,000 dead had been US kids. He doesn't care, he's only interested in his dollar bills and associating himself with something powerful and strong in order to feel better about himself. Im sure deep down his conscience knows that he can't really square his arguments, that his government kills many,many people in the name of 'freedom' and 'democracy'. Problem is he's too fixated with nationalism and how important it is in defining who he is as a human being to see all this....... :(
 
rogue yam said:
The US has had over 100,000 troops in Iraq for three years now. Where do they live? Where do they keep and service their equipment? Where do they plan and stage their operations? At military bases. I try to understand you people. I really do. But what the fuck?

But all of the British forces in Iraq are either housed in existing Iraqi buildings or temporary Corrimec accomodation. So are the Japanese and the Dutch. Even the main MND(SE) (Multi National Division (South East) who the British command) HQ building at Basra airport is in a hotel - when we eventually pull out they'll be able to convert the offices there back into rooms. Before we moved to the airport, everything was housed at Basra palace, using existing palace buildings (if I ever get my laptop fixed, I've some pictures of the marble floored, gold toileted hell I lived in for a few weeks before we moved) or in Corrimecs. Everything at Shaiba (the main logistics base between Basra and Kuwait) is tented or temporary buildings.
 
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