type of kids you like most at school? (teachers)
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catinthehat
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Ah - the Dangerous Minds school of teaching. Get down with the kids, tear up the text books, speak "their language", be their best mate etc......Nothing more uncool than the cool teacher.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
8ball said:
Mutants are people too.
Yes, but if they had crabs claws and spoons they would be super-crabspoonpeople not just people.
I didn't say they weren't people. I someone had a ford cortina instead of a lower torso, then they would be more than a just an average person no?
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
I want to teach the crab children!tangerinedream said:
RubberBuccaneer
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I've just re-read this thread as I was puzzled as to why ninja had a pop at Spanglechick 
Still can't see it
Still can't see it
tangerinedream
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catinthehat said:
Mr Fleming was 'a cool teacher' at my school, but he was actually quite cool and was the only science teacher I ever actually liked cos he was the only one who had a hint of empathy and made stuff seem interesting, not just stuff we had to learn. He knew the line though, but was really good. He wasn't overly matey, but treated you like a person, not a student. I remember doing something about drinking with him and he was asking us all about lager and drinking for ages and then finally telling us we drank shit and should try this other beer and then gave some long scientific explanation why. Every other science teacher would have chucked us out for talking about drinking and probably rung home or something and just presented it like, 'today we are looking at carbonization or H20 and chemical content of pop drinks such as drunk by young people' and we'd have fallen asleep after two minutes.
tangerinedream
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spanglechick said:I want to teach the crab children!
Then you must acknowledge the whole child. They are crabspoonchildren. Havn't you read every child matters
It's about the whole child you know, not just their mutated eyes and otherwise humonoid aspects....
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
How come I post a long though out response and no-one cares about anything but the crabspoonchildren
Some kids I teach have blueoystercult records for faces y'know.
Some kids I teach have blueoystercult records for faces y'know.
tangerinedream
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http://www.leeandherring.com/cartoon1/page1.html
'two very different teachers'
a moral tale for us all I think
'two very different teachers'
a moral tale for us all I think
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
heh, heh, heh!tangerinedream said:
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
tangerinedream said:
homer simpson said:
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Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
RubberBuccaneer said:I've just re-read this thread as I was puzzled as to why ninja had a pop at Spanglechick
Still can't see it
His tagline explains it.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Ninjaboy said:
You've never actually tried teaching classes like Spanglechick teaches have you?
Not even once.
Ninjaboy said:
I agree with this 100%
spanglechick said:maybe it's a croydon thing. I get lots of kids who are arrogant despite knowing they won't pass without putting work in - they have this attitude that they're going to be big time gangstas, or raking it in on benefits or whatever. It's just arrogance - pure and simple. And what drives me mad about it isn't their under achievement - it's the determination to inflate their own egos by showboating to the class and effectively stealing the other kids' education time. so fucking selfish and arrogant - it drives me insane.
oops - this was sposed to be a positive thread...
That's not arrogance in my view, and even if it is it's misplaced. Those are the kids I like - where you can make a difference over the years. Will never happen in one month, or one lesson, which is why teaching can be frustrating - like going to the gym, you don't see the results the same day.
I sympathise with your frustration at them 'stealing other kids time', but LOTS of students do that, from the keen ones who monopolise teacher time through to the disruptive ones. I quite enjoy the challenge of structuring my lessons and making them interesting enough to stop that.
tangerinedream said:I like them all mostly. I wouldn't put kids in a 'type' that I like as it's a bit like saying 'what kind of person do you like?' - I have become really fond of both boffinesque oxbridge bound kids and rough and ready scrape through by the skin of their teeth kids. I think generally it comes down to whether they have a bit of respect for others and are willing to have a go.
I am getting pissed off with one lad at the moment is is labouring under the illusion he is really funny, but is not in the slightest and what is more annoying is he cries everytime I tell him to shut the fuck up for his own sake. He's actually quite a nice lad, but is acting like a dick but won't be told. He laughs after his own jokes but seem oblivious to the fact the class stopped laughing about 3 weeks ago and I cannot make him see that he actually needs to shut up....
I can't think of too many kids I've hated and loads I've been really happy to be involved in teaching. Mind you, I got narcy with a class today as they said the reason they were dicking about was because "we like you, cos your not too strict" - So I told them I could teach in a different way if they couldn't handle me giving them a bit of freedom and to be fair, they were then really good.
As a teacher, a think one of my weaknesses is I actually like the kids and their company too much and sometime the temptation to have a good chat overcomes the need to drive them relentlessly through a merciless programme of learn/testlearn/test/learn/test - repeat ad infinitum, it's interesting to know what they actually think about things and tell stories and generally act like humans together. I know this also a strength in some ways, but still... it's not really what feels like is valued at all by the current system - the path of learning is very narrow and the idea of a sharing of human experience is nothing to do with teaching to exam questions and that's a shame.
I also love any kid that shows a real passion for my subject. I'm sure spanglechick can identify when I say all to often this is confused by them, with a real passion for themselves. "I love drama" - "why don't you do any work or show any interest in anything, why doesn't artaud or brecht or stanislavski's glorious system or sheridan or lorca or berkof or anything appeal to you" - "that kind of stuff is not my thing, my private drama teacher said I was great and (long rant about how things aren't fair and really I deserve an A for being a bit pretty or something)....."
That drives me mad.
Lovely post.
It's not a weakness to like the kids. It's a real strength. It is one (and I've got it) that when they're getting on with it and you're not particularly needed you butt in to chat to them - I have to stop myself doing that.
Ninjaboy said:if people are taking that attitude it's cos of teachers failing htem
it's not just a job it's a commitment. like being a soldier
I sort of agree with this, but I actually think you're being harsh on spanglechick, who I suspect would also agree with this (at least in part).
Harsh is a bit of an understatement there isn't it?
LD Rudeboy said:I'm amazed at the number of teachers I've met that don't actually like children.
I agree!
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dirtysweet
a need to feel authoritarian/bossy/in control of others perhaps?
i've met a few too LDR, although ime it's usually the ones who've been in the game too long and are jaded with the whole teaching experience. they probably began their career liking them, and have just had enough.
that's when they should get out imo. but they rarely do.
i liked your post tangerinedream - very much.
i've met a few too LDR, although ime it's usually the ones who've been in the game too long and are jaded with the whole teaching experience. they probably began their career liking them, and have just had enough.
that's when they should get out imo. but they rarely do.
i liked your post tangerinedream - very much.
i was actually out of order to spanglechik and i've apologised to her
but i do think that you can forget that the kids you teach are just kids at the end of the day, not equals. appealing to their intelligent side isn't always the way to give them the best help, sometimes you need to remind them you are the boss
i reckon everyone has days when they arrive at school and think "what the fuck am i doing with all these fucking kids, i could be sitting in an office doing something repetetive and quiet...."
but i do think that you can forget that the kids you teach are just kids at the end of the day, not equals. appealing to their intelligent side isn't always the way to give them the best help, sometimes you need to remind them you are the boss
i reckon everyone has days when they arrive at school and think "what the fuck am i doing with all these fucking kids, i could be sitting in an office doing something repetetive and quiet...."
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
all of that is true.Ninjaboy said:
but NNNPD is right too, kids are brilliant. i really enjoy their company (nearly all of them, anyway - this year i teach maybe two kids i'd rather vanished) - and i'm always learning my trade - making it better/more fun for them, and for me.
my ideal lesson is a laugh from beginning to end - sometimes they associate Miss Spanglechick with "fun" though, and think that when they step through my door, they can do whatever they think is fun - that's an understandable confusion; i just have to make them see that if they trust me to set the parameters and the agenda, they'll have fun anyway.
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