quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
My poor baby, I took my eyes off him for a second.....
Brixton's feral yout?
Two year old missing - Stockwell FOUND SAFE
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Brixton's feral yout?
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Not being arsey here, I'm just curious.
So your daughter has never thrown a strop about being carried when she wants to walk or vice versa? And she's never thrown a strop about being put in a pushchair when she wants to walk or vice versa? Your daughter always complies with your wishes and behaves in exactly the fashion you want her to, whether that's walking, being carried, or being pushed in a pushchair?
She's not reached the terrible twos yet. I fear it's a phenomenon you're about to encounter!
Corax
Luke 5:16
Not being arsey here, I'm just curious.
So your daughter has never thrown a strop about being carried when she wants to walk or vice versa? And she's never thrown a strop about being put in a pushchair when she wants to walk or vice versa? Your daughter always complies with your wishes and behaves in exactly the fashion you want her to, whether that's walking, being carried, or being pushed in a pushchair?
She's not reached the terrible twos yet. I fear it's a phenomenon you're about to encounter!
They can throw a strop all they like though surely? You don't have to let them win - they're 2 foot tall!
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
FFS, I'd wager most parents have an experience when their kid does a runner at some stage. It happened to me once -we were distracted at the lifts at Charles de Gaulle airport while our camera got nicked. My five year old ended up on the wrong floor, alone. It was terrifying, but it made me realise that it can happen to anyone. I'm very glad this girl was found, and very happy for all the perfect parents that have never taken their eyes off their kid, not for a millisecond, no matter what.
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
FFS, I'd wager most parents have an experience when their kid does a runner at some stage. It happened to me once -we were distracted at the lifts at Charles de Gaulle airport while our camera got nicked. My five year old ended up on the wrong floor, alone. It was terrifying, but it made me realise that it can happen to anyone. I'm very glad this girl was found, and very happy for all the perfect parents that have never taken their eyes off their kid, not for a millisecond, no matter what.
yep, my daughter escaped from my back garden once when she was about two and a half maybe three. Someone had left my back gate open and she just wandered out of our usually secure garden while I was answering the phone. Was one of the scariest moments of my life when I realised she was missing and I saw the gate was ajar. I ran out into the street and was instantly in tears. I didn't know which direction to look first so I ran up and down screaming her name. Two guys saw how distressed I was and helped look while I rang the police. The police picked her up at the far end of the street thankfully.
Nobody is a perfect parent, we all make mistakes. I hope none of you ever have to feel that sense of panic I felt that day, I truly do.
Thora
Differently Ethical
It's not even just the throwing a strop thing, but you being distracted by something - paying in the supermarket, or another child falling over or wanting your attention. It is a lot easier when you just have one very young child to keep your hands and eyes on.Not being arsey here, I'm just curious.
So your daughter has never thrown a strop about being carried when she wants to walk or vice versa? And she's never thrown a strop about being put in a pushchair when she wants to walk or vice versa? Your daughter always complies with your wishes and behaves in exactly the fashion you want her to, whether that's walking, being carried, or being pushed in a pushchair?
She's not reached the terrible twos yet. I fear it's a phenomenon you're about to encounter!
I doubt many people will have got to their child's 5th birthday without at least one heart-stopping moment when they lose sight of them for a minute or two in the playground/zoo/shops or whatever.
That little bit outside Nandos has a bus stop, Barnardos, and obviously, Nandos. For all you know they could have been eating outside and she wandered off, in the shop and she wandered off, or at the bus stop she wandered off. It's impossible to say and none of us have the slightest clue, so why ask and why speculate?
FFS, I'd wager most parents have an experience when their kid does a runner at some stage. It happened to me once -we were distracted at the lifts at Charles de Gaulle airport while our camera got nicked. My five year old ended up on the wrong floor, alone. It was terrifying, but it made me realise that it can happen to anyone. I'm very glad this girl was found, and very happy for all the perfect parents that have never taken their eyes off their kid, not for a millisecond, no matter what.
That must have been terrifying. I remember being on a train once and the doors closing as a mum manhandled her pushchair and baby off - with her other child left on the train
My mam left me outside a shop in my pushchair when I was a baby and went home.
Mine too
Jonti
what the dormouse said
I found a lost toddler child year old once, happily bimbling along St John's Crescent by Max Roach Park, right down the middle of the road. Not an adult in sight, except for me and my friend. We looked!
He told us "Mummy got on a bus" and we asked if he'd like to go to a playground to play with other kids until Mummy came back. Then we took him up to the creche at the top of the park, and left him with a nursery worker there.
Really should've sold him for spare parts or something. I never seem to think of these business opportunities in time
He told us "Mummy got on a bus" and we asked if he'd like to go to a playground to play with other kids until Mummy came back. Then we took him up to the creche at the top of the park, and left him with a nursery worker there.
Really should've sold him for spare parts or something. I never seem to think of these business opportunities in time
How so? I can't respond to the rest of your post because it doesn't make sense.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Not being arsey here, I'm just curious.
So your daughter has never thrown a strop about being carried when she wants to walk or vice versa? And she's never thrown a strop about being put in a pushchair when she wants to walk or vice versa? Your daughter always complies with your wishes and behaves in exactly the fashion you want her to, whether that's walking, being carried, or being pushed in a pushchair?
She's not reached the terrible twos yet. I fear it's a phenomenon you're about to encounter!
Yes sometimes she doesn't want to hold my hand when I want her to, yes sometimes she wants to walk when I carry her and yes she can throw a terrible 2 style strop. Why would that stop me taking my eyes off her?
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Correct I didn't just ask, I used an example to exclaim why I thought it was odd.
It's Brixton outside nandos by a bus stop at 4.30/5 in the afternoon.
I asked a question based on the OPs first post, please tell me why this is such a crime?
Correct, I was kind of expecting the OP to say they used "2-minutes" as an expression not a exact measurement of time. I was going on the OP and asking a question about the OP
Yes, and?
When did I say that? I said I found it hard to think of an excuse myself and so I asked a question.
This is the internet, I don't sound like anything, it's all text. I was asking more about the situation because on the information that was given it seemed unusual. Why can't you grasp this?
I didn't say they did.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
A parent who loses sight of a child because they've 'looked away' for X amount of time, for whatever reason, is not neglectful, is not a bad parent, has not done anything wrong. Any number of things could conspire to draw your attention away from your child, giving them the opportunity to slip away - an opportunity that they are often looking for and one which probably appears to them as very exciting at first - until they've made the dash and realised how alone they are.
I never clung on to my son as a child, and he did occasionally wander away, never too far, and not really out of my sight, but far enough to make both of us nervous enough to know what we were both comfortable with.
One day I was sat on the sofa and the doorbell went and it was Nanker Jnr at the door. He had been parted from his Mum in the park and he made his way to my house, he was about five.
The pair of them were utterly devastated, but neither were to blame, it happened, in a split moment, they were out of sight from one another and couldn't find a way back to each other.
So what! If something terrible had happened then that would have been dreadful, but it didn't and often doesn't in these situations.
Parenting from a high horse and judging the ability of others because of their mistakes can be mighty humbling when you fall yourself.
I never clung on to my son as a child, and he did occasionally wander away, never too far, and not really out of my sight, but far enough to make both of us nervous enough to know what we were both comfortable with.
One day I was sat on the sofa and the doorbell went and it was Nanker Jnr at the door. He had been parted from his Mum in the park and he made his way to my house, he was about five.
The pair of them were utterly devastated, but neither were to blame, it happened, in a split moment, they were out of sight from one another and couldn't find a way back to each other.
So what! If something terrible had happened then that would have been dreadful, but it didn't and often doesn't in these situations.
Parenting from a high horse and judging the ability of others because of their mistakes can be mighty humbling when you fall yourself.
We. Don't. Know.
Don't tell me you honestly asked that expecting people on a bulletin board to furnish you with the exact details, rhetorical questions like that are dripping with blame.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
What is the big deal with asking? As a father with a two year old I was genuinely curious, why is that such a heinous crime?
All this WE DON"T KNOW shit be continually countered (and has been) with YEAH, I KNOW, THATS WHY I ASKED?
Was I throwing a rhetorical question out as a "I blame the parents"? Well guess what - You. Don't. Know. That. Either. This is a text based message board and you have read what you wanted into my post. I have already been asked if I was judging and I have given my answer. Why do you still persist in accusing me of (god forbid) pointing the finger at a parent.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
I wasn't parenting from a high horse, I just asked a question. It could happen to me, but it hasn't yet *touches wood*.
Big difference between a 2 year old and a 5 year old though?
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
You've got an easy/biddable child then. I agree with Thora - it's amazing how easy it is for something like this to happen if you're trying to supervise more than one walking small child (or in my case pushing a pushchair/carrying a baby AND supervising two small walking children), especially if one of them is bullish/stubborn/knows no fear. My middle boy is like a rat out of a trap sometimes, he has no problem whatsoever with legging it away from me at top speed out of the blue. I once had to chase him while I was carrying his baby brother because he just bolted out of the playpark we were in, from right beside me, and didn't look back. We eventually caught up with him across the road and halfway across a carpark. Thank fuck there were no cars at the time.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I never said you were parenting from a high horse, which is why I hadn't quoted you, or anyone else - I was referring to the tone of some posts on this thread that seemed to imply losing sight of a 2 year was a sign of bad parenting.
There is a big difference between a 5 year old and a 2 year old, yes, and I wasn't suggesting otherwise, but I was trying to give an example of a situation where no one was really to blame.
I lost Nanker Jnr at Butlins when he was about 2/3 - one minute he was playing on some noddy thing - then he was off following some fucking man in a bear suit. Fucking fluffies!!
My heart jumped out of my chest!
Again, no one's fault, it just happens.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
I have lost my daughter at festivals more than once
when I have been working in the lost kids area
its really easy for it to happen (especially in a festival with so many people and so much to do)
I work with children and have had a child escape from the setting
(and many people working with children have similar stories - even with all the proceedures in place)
i have lost someone elses child (age 4)at hackney show one year
- she was literally right next to my shoulder on the play bus - I turned my head towards my own daughter and no friends child:
I ran around panicking and looking trying to get the staff on the bus to take it seriously
about five minutes later i discovered she had gone to find her mum who was performing phew. that was a terrible five minutes
and I was with someone else who lost her child at a show on hackney marshes when she was nine - we all raced around and it was getting dark and people were leaving
she had handed herself straight in at a stall and got taken to lost kids which was a very senisble thing to do
when I was on holiday with a friend a few years ago I noticed how adventurous her 2 yr old was and how they could both tolerate (her and the child) risk taking- they live in a small community in a wood and I maybe wondered if in that safe(from human's being dangerous) environment the mum could let the daughter explore much more - the child had such a sure sense of herself and in exploring the world it was
but it was a bit scary to be around as there were things I got a bit about....
anyway children explore, children get lost it happens
and parents are human and there is far too much pressure on them to be eternally vigilant and present because the community doesn't do that now
when I have been working in the lost kids area
its really easy for it to happen (especially in a festival with so many people and so much to do)
I work with children and have had a child escape from the setting
(and many people working with children have similar stories - even with all the proceedures in place)
i have lost someone elses child (age 4)at hackney show one year
- she was literally right next to my shoulder on the play bus - I turned my head towards my own daughter and no friends child
:I ran around panicking and looking trying to get the staff on the bus to take it seriously
about five minutes later i discovered she had gone to find her mum who was performing phew. that was a terrible five minutes
and I was with someone else who lost her child at a show on hackney marshes when she was nine - we all raced around and it was getting dark and people were leaving
she had handed herself straight in at a stall and got taken to lost kids which was a very senisble thing to do
when I was on holiday with a friend a few years ago I noticed how adventurous her 2 yr old was and how they could both tolerate (her and the child) risk taking- they live in a small community in a wood and I maybe wondered if in that safe(from human's being dangerous) environment the mum could let the daughter explore much more - the child had such a sure sense of herself and in exploring the world it was
but it was a bit scary to be around as there were things I got a bit about....anyway children explore, children get lost it happens
and parents are human and there is far too much pressure on them to be eternally vigilant and present because the community doesn't do that now
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
A child went missing on a project I worked on once. We knew she was in the premises somewhere because there was no way she could have climbed a 10 foot fence or through a supervised locked entrance.... we found her an hour later, fast asleep under clothes in the dressing-up box.....
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Well it was a project for kids with a wide range of disabilities and their siblings...we did have 'runners' and were on a major route through London.....
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
One boy (profoundly deaf and with severe learning disabilities) got over 20 feet up a mature tree and sat there for about two and a half hours...he came down safely when lunch appeared.....
My mam left me outside a shop in my pushchair when I was a baby and went home.
I'm sorry but
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
My Mum did that to me too. She only realised when the grocer rang her and said I'd been there all afternoon, but seemed quite happy.....
...mind you this was in the the fifties and things were different then....eg how many shops now have their customers address and phone number, let alone know their names?
...mind you this was in the the fifties and things were different then....eg how many shops now have their customers address and phone number, let alone know their names?
gaijingirl
Well-Known Member
I was talking to my Father in law the other day about London when he was growing up (he's in his 70s) - he was saying they used to get their fruit and veg delivered by horse and cart!
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
I can just remember the milkman with horse and cart. Rag and bone men carried on until the 1970s.
gaijingirl
Well-Known Member
I remember the rag and bone man myself!
It was really interesting talking to him actually - amazing how much things have changed in such a short time!
