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Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I can't engage with tories, that's about as far as I can go - they're just such fucking cunts.
liampreston
Spend time, not money
One other forum (I won't direct link) the celebrations are mixed - I supect they wanted another nationalist party to win, but that's for another thread maybe. The one common theme in the thread is "The right is back, the left is dead", using this result as evidence that no left-type has been elected to a similar position, and Labour/LibDems are being hounded out of Council Halls by Tories, UKIP, and the BNP.
This English Democrat dude will become something of an icon for nationalists. The media seemingly ignoring his result is very strange - were he a BNP member it'd be headline news. The EngDems are not exactly soft fluffy types....
This English Democrat dude will become something of an icon for nationalists. The media seemingly ignoring his result is very strange - were he a BNP member it'd be headline news. The EngDems are not exactly soft fluffy types....
I am wondering if its because the EngDems have wrong-footed them in terms of the support they got without having much national exposure.
Which makes me wonder about this forth-coming by-election in Norwich. If they decide to stand, which I guess they will, then they could represent the ideal protest vote option for many many people although I would imagine the Greens might fancy their chances as well.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
wtf is that supposed mean? That you support attacks on the civil rights of gay people? That you support inequality under the law? What? 'Being all kind to the gay'? WTF?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Prick
Mr Davies says he wants to stamp out political correctness
read: 'wasn't it so much better when we could casually treat homosexuals and non-whites like shit and they couldn't complain about it? I'm bringing back that'
What I mean is that I dont agree with all this gay equality stuff. If somebody wants to have sex with a person of the same gender then that is their business but I refuse to believe that this sort of relationship should be given any offical recognition in law.
In what way does any of that amount to doom? He won't get to do any of it.
I wish people would get a grip.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What sort of 'gay equality' stuff do you disagre with and why?
You don't need the right to tell you the left is dead. Just look at the muted response to and lack of ideas regarding the biggest crisis of capitalism in our lifetimes.
The left ran out of answers decades ago.
Luckily, the right has no answers either, as people will find out.
All of it. If purely a matter of personal choice and if kept in the privacy of somebodys home and between consenting adults then fine. But its not a matter for state legislation on in any way, shape or form.
Look I understand that many of you are big on this gay rights stuff and if you all want to go off onto an Urban fest of calling me all the names under the sun and trying to out do each other in how much you love gays and gayness then you crack on but for me its a real hand-face moment.
I have my view, you lot aint going to change it so why even waste your time trying ?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not interested in changing your mind or shouting at you particualry - i just want to know why you think gay people should live under different laws.
I dont. I just think that being 'gay' is reason enough to have laws for. I would not make it illegal with the proviso of consenting adults and blah blah blah but beyond that its a personal matter and should be of no concern of Government or legislation.
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
But why should breeders get legal recognition for their marriage and not gays? If we're going to have the state make legal provisions for marriage then surely it should extend to whatever configuration of couple people happen to want.
Eh because 'breeders' are what society is about. They are why society exists and continues to exists. Marriage is what 'evolved' to make societys stable. Gays are just about being gay. There is no long term contribution to society beyond perhaps a better quality of interior decoration.
And can you see the way this thread is going to go if we carry on with this line of debate ?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Gays can and do adopt and raise kids, a valuable social contribution.
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
An extended airing of your antiquated pseudo-religous views on sexual morality?
newharper
Manxome Tove
While I acknowledge your honesty, I wonder if have considered that when your policies are enacted and 40/50% of us are living below the poverty line what the reaction will be.
At worst we won't be able to afford anything; at best we will revolt.
The British economy already has an abundent supply of cheap labour. Most of it is overseas, and 'outsourcing' is one of the factors that ensures that the British economy will only get weaker and more debt-ridden. It was started by the Tory government.
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
It's not in mixed race areas that the BNP get support. It's where there are few racial minorities, or where there is racial ghettoisation. They rely on ignorance to promote racism, and the ignorance about race is easier to find in places where white people simply don't encounter black or Asian people.
The whole approach of the BNP is based on taking real problems and blaming them on an imaginary "enemy". That doesn't work when they are presenting your neighbours and co workers as the "enemy".
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I think you're right about the first bit, but the real problem now is that people are making a "leap of faith" in the right and going for rightwing choices in big, big way.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
The left is strangely reluctant to screach too loudly about it, though. The left falls over it's feet and stumbles around in ideologically confused knots over this sort of thing.
especially as the BNP encouraged scabbing during the strike and wanted the govt to send the army in.
The left ran out of MONEY years ago, not answers. If they had the money to promote it there would still be mass support for fair pay, job creation, the NHS , and even the wlefare state given how non-secure jobs are.
The reason the right is doing so well is simply they have the rich backers, people who want to see the working class divided
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I really wish I thought that was the case too, but just about anyone I've ever spoken to here in London seems to just titter and sneer at the very thought fair pay, job creation, welfare state etc. Just watch them all snarl in indigantion whenever there's a strike. All you hear is "they should all be sacked!" and "my pay has been frozen for unpteen years, so so should there's be!" rather than fight for their own conditons and pay to be brought upwards.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
The "left" didn't run out of ideas, there's been tons of decent analysis of the credit crunch. The problem isn't ideas, it’s that the left’s traditional base has been wiped out by the last three decades of neo liberal counterrevolution that destroyed British industry.
To be on the left for me simply means to be committed to a fairer distribution of political power and economic resources. By contrast, the right are those who wish to preserve and deepen social and political inequalities. The current world financial krakatoa was caused because the global economy is dominated by a tiny unaccountable oligarchy. Its not that the right have no answers – its that the right are the problem yet unfortunately they homogenise the political discourse. Unless there is resistance (which has already taken shape in sporadic and diffuse manifestations – e.g Linamar, Visteon, Lindsey) then the financial and economic crisis will be used to consolidate capitalism in an even more brutal manner than has gone before.
If the left don’t manage to organise as a political force then the void will be filled by a surge of populism, bigotry, racism and fundamentalism as exemplified by the English Democrats, UKIP, BNP, the Tories and other similar pond life. The overall prognosis at the moment is not looking good.
Even in the BNP get a seat in the EP, i still don't think they willl be the biggest 'benefactor' of concerns about 'our way of life disappearing', etc. Jeremy Seabrooke wrote ages ago of how it would never be the Nazi or fascist' factions that would come to the fore here in England, but a very english type of nationalism, I suspect it will be the ED's, or UKIP, or something not yet created. How Griffin will respond to this success will be very revealing. In Holland, the EU results are showing 17% for Wilders and his Freedom Party, similar in many ways to the ED's.
liampreston
Spend time, not money
Then people need to launch a serious campagin for a new workers part...I mean, a socialist allian...No wait, erm.....
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