Two die spraying graffiti at Barking

[Monkeynuts]

My problem is that advertising boards do criminal damage to public space. Public space should not be used to inflict drivel on people which cannot be avoided. I do not recognise it as legitimate. But many people see it as legitimate, such as yourself, which clearly is very questionable.

Well, they are legitimate as there is no law against them, except planning control.

Don't be attacking me as if I'm some sort of apologist for advertising boards. As I've said I enjoy seeing them defaced, and will add that I would prefer not to see them at all.

 

[8ball]

Not everyone uses 'legitimate' to simply mean legal, Monkeynuts, remember you're in the company of lefties

 

[Louloubelle]

What a terrible thing to happen



of course I feel sorry fothe dead people, more so for their familes and for their living accomplices, who must be going through some kind of emotional hell right now

I did plenty of stupid, dangerous things as an adolescent and I bet a lot of the people posting here did too, it's part of growing up. Still terrible when you draw the short straw as these 2 have done

There's a poster here, hasn't posted my for a while but used to post a lot, who was into this kind of thing. I'm not sure how old he is

Anyone know if he's OK?

 

[Yossarian]

If it's who I think you mean, he's older than 21...

 

[Donna Ferentes]

They were out breaking the law, and got killed because of it, Why should i a law abiding person feel sorry for those 2?

Because it is human to feel sorry for young people who are killed, and inhuman not to. If we are, indeed, to take responsibility for our actions, then that includes taking responsibity for "no sympathy" statements that we make ourselves.

 

[boskysquelch]

Whilst we continue to act as apologists for those taking informed decisions to do unlawful / stupid / dangerous things we encourage others to ignore the implications of their choices and remove from them the responsibility for their actions.

You aren't speaking for me are you?...because that would make you a cunt.

 

[fruitimix]

fucking hell you lot are a bunch of nasty cunts, wishing death on someone just coz they've scribbled on a bit of public wall...this could quite easily have been someone i know, i can think of people much more worthy of your ire than people doing a bit of graffiti..

 

[zenie]

I'm sadenned @ the deaths, and I'm saddened @ some of the replies on thiis thread

They died in the pursuit of their own happiness.

Maybe people's time and energy would be better put thinking of those who were lost, those who loved them and lost them, especially their two friends who were witnesses to the deaths by all accounts. Rather than taking the moral high ground and moaning about them breaking a meaningless law....

For a liberal forum there are many right wing views being thrown about

I'm sad I've come back and this is what this has become

 

[Yossarian]

there are many right wing views being thrown about

Innit, some of the numpties on this thread would shame the Daily Mail letters page.

 

[Louloubelle]

If it's who I think you mean, he's older than 21...

b****c?

if so, that's a huge relief I was really worried

 

[Ribbit]

Because it is human to feel sorry for young people who are killed, and inhuman not to. If we are, indeed, to take responsibility for our actions, then that includes taking responsibity for "no sympathy" statements that we make ourselves.

Bollocks. It's not 'inhuman' to not feel sorry for criminals. I don't feel sorry for anyone - pity them, yes, but I wouldn't even pity these two.

 

[gentlegreen]

I'm sadenned @ the deaths, and I'm saddened @ some of the replies on thiis thread

They died in the pursuit of their own happiness.

Maybe people's time and energy would be better put thinking of those who were lost, those who loved them and lost them, especially their two friends who were witnesses to the deaths by all accounts. Rather than taking the moral high ground and moaning about them breaking a meaningless law....

For a liberal forum there are many right wing views being thrown about

I'm sad I've come back and this is what this has become

It may have more to do with maturity, and respect for everyone else's space.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Bollocks. It's not 'inhuman' to not feel sorry for criminals. I don't feel sorry for anyone - pity them, yes, but I wouldn't even pity these two.

Then you say a great deal about yourself, and none of it pleasant.

 

[Ribbit]

Then you say a great deal about yourself, and none of it pleasant.

I don't deny it.

 

[Yossarian]

It may have more to do with maturity, and respect for everyone else's space.

There's maturity, then there's being so mature that you're a grumpy misanthropic old bastard who'll probably end up in prison after shooting a neighbour in a dispute over a hedge.

 

[8ball]

For a liberal forum there are many right wing views being thrown about

I'm sad I've come back and this is what this has become

It's not like this all the time.

Nice to see you're back, anyway

 

[8ball]

There's maturity, then there's being so mature that you're a grumpy misanthropic old bastard who'll probably end up in prison after shooting a neighbour in a dispute over a hedge.

 

[Yossarian]

b****c?

if so, that's a huge relief I was really worried

Yeah, I'm pretty sure his 21st was a couple of years back.

 

[Ribbit]

There's maturity, then there's being so mature that you're a grumpy misanthropic old bastard who'll probably end up in prison after shooting a neighbour in a dispute over a hedge.

Then there's being so liberal, you could be Tony Blair's aide.

 

[editor]

Yeah, absolutely. They got what they deserved.

What? You can think taggers deserve to die for their crime?

 

[Ribbit]

Not necessarily, but if they trespass on the railway, then getting hit by a train is their just-desserts, really.

Actually, the fact that they were tagging is fairly irrelevant. I just think if you're stupid enough to be there, then you deserve the concequences.

 

[Louloubelle]

They were out breaking the law, and got killed because of it, Why should i a law abiding person feel sorry for those 2?

because they were adolcescents doing things that adolescents do
in the grand scheme of things they weren't doing anything especially terrible, they weren't robbing people, they weren't stabbing people they were just spraying graffiti. For all we know it could have been a magnificent piece of artwork, as some graffiti is IMO

It reminds me back in the 80s and 90s when kids "joy ride" stolen cars and crashed and killed themselfs. Good ridance to scum who thinks it fun to steal cars. As well as these two twats. If they are thick enough to run on to a live rail line and get hit by a train, well Darwin has wone.

Except that joy riders are a danger to other people, unlike graffiti artists (or taggers if that's what they were). Even joy riders are negligent rather then having a malicious intent. Still terrible when they get killed.

 

[Yossarian]

Then there's being so liberal, you could be Tony Blair's aide.

You think not being overcome with glee at a couple of people committing a petty crime getting killed makes somebody an uber-liberal? Time to put down that Daily Express....

 

[Louloubelle]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure his 21st was a couple of years back.

Thanks, much appreciated

 

[gentlegreen]

Not necessarily, but if they trespass on the railway, then getting hit by a train is their just-desserts, really.

I blame the parents, and the schools, and maybe the government, for not spending vast amounts of effort suggesting to people that pissing around on railways is a bit silly.

 

[gentlegreen]

because they were adolcescents doing things that adolescents do.

Despite a pretty dysfunctional childhood, I don't remember ever feeling inclined to do anything remotely as fecking stupid.
(I'm probably more your Jeffrey Dahmer type )

 

[detective-boy]

You aren't speaking for me are you?...because that would make you a cunt.

I'm expressing a view about how "we" - a society - should act. If you want that to exclude you, fine.

 

[Dan U]

all you people wishing death on people for tagging are cunts

i'm not a huge fan of a lot of tagging - decent graff is another matter entirely - but wishing/celebrating death on people.

 

[Ribbit]

You think not being overcome with glee at a couple of people committing a petty crime getting killed makes somebody an uber-liberal? Time to put down that Daily Express....

I'm not gleeful and I don't read the Express. Or the Mail, before you ask.

 

[Ribbit]

I blame the parents, and the schools, and maybe the government, for not spending vast amounts of effort suggesting to people that pissing around on railways is a bit silly.

Exactly. So if they're still that stupid, I have no pity for them.

all you people wishing death on people for tagging are cunts

i'm not a huge fan of a lot of tagging - decent graff is another matter entirely - but wishing/celebrating death on people.

I don't wish death on anyone, let alone someone for tagging. I just think they got what they deserved for trespassing on a rail line.