Two die spraying graffiti at Barking

[davesgcr]

Criminal damage and trespass whichever way you look at it ......

Period.

PS - it costs about 12k to repaint a train carriage - less to clean - needless activity ....fucking tags woud nver get beyond a trip to the heavy cleaning shed anyway.

Loss of a life(s) is tragic ....but get real - tagging is a needless and eventully pointless activity.

 

[exosculate]

Nothing stupid about it. There was a lengthy and quite tedious discussion about whether tagging was or was not art. I have just put both facets in so it doesn't start up again. At the same time it is a sardonic reference that makes my own feelings on the matter clear.

So to add to the expense of cleaning it off we now have this sort of totally senseless waste of life. And for what?

Their parents will be distraught. Most people never get over the death of a child.

But its OK to be saturated with awful billboard adverts everywhere you go?

 

[Monkeynuts]

But its OK to be saturated with awful billboard adverts everywhere you go?

I don't recall saying that Not sure why I would; it's not particularly relevant.

In fact I forgot to add that you were quite correct in describing billboards as legitimate graffiti given that they are... writing on walls. My favourite graffiti was always at Hyde Park Corner in Leeds where someone had a habit of adding something particularly appropriate to whatever advert was displayed. Such wit and creativity is however very rare.

But none of this is relevant to the thread.

 

[exosculate]

I don't recall saying that Not sure why I would; it's not particularly relevant.

In fact I forgot to add that you were quite correct in describing billboards as legitimate graffiti given that they are... writing on walls. My favourite graffiti was always at Hyde Park Corner in Leeds where someone had a habit of adding something particularly appropriate to whatever advert was displayed. Such wit and creativity is however very rare.

But none of this is relevant to the thread.

Its perfectly relevant. As its about who decides what is legitimate in public spaces. You put the drivel in the OP so it is relevant.

 

[Prefade]

Ribbit is even worse: "Good riddance. Shame the other two didn't get killed too." If you wish death on graffiti-spraying idiots, I hate to think what you wish on burglars or thugs.

I'm always entertained by the fact that threads wishing a horrible death on Mrs Thatcher and detailing plans that are in place for wild parties on the event of her death are condoned, celebrated and welcomed on these boards, but the minute anyone wishes something similar to happen to just about anyone else, it is condemned in a rather po-faced manner.

For the record, I do not wish death on graffiti sprayers, I actually wish for something more subtle, such as for them to arrive home and discover that the ambience of their homes have been destroyed say by someone spraying obscenities over the front or all over their bedrooms, or maybe covering their TV in paint so they cannot enjoy the experience of using it properly.

Having said that, to have them mown down by a train is equally as satisfying and whilst I respect the right of their families to disagree, I put myself, along with a great many Londoners, in the camp of those who thought "good riddance" with a smile of satisfaction when I read the news this morning.

Why weep for people whose only contribution to society was a destructive one?

 

[exosculate]

Having said that, to have them mown down by a train is equally as satisfying and whilst I respect the right of their families to disagree, I put myself, along with a great many Londoners, in the camp of those who thought "good riddance" with a smile of satisfaction when I read the news this morning.

Why weep for people whose only contribution to society was a destructive one?

Whilst I'm not supporting tagging, that is very callous of you. Quite disgraceful I think.

 

[Pie 1]

Well said. Good riddance. Shame the other two didn't get killed too. I feel for the driver, as it'd've been better if the live rail had killed them. They'd have felt that as well. Wankers.

You're a nasty little shitstick, aren't you?

 

[JHE]

Having said that, to have them mown down by a train is equally as satisfying and whilst I respect the right of their families to disagree, I put myself, along with a great many Londoners, in the camp of those who thought "good riddance" with a smile of satisfaction when I read the news this morning.

Oh, well... whatever cheers you up...

Why weep for people whose only contribution to society was a destructive one?

You say they only contributed destruction, but I don't know what they contributed or would have contributed. Nor do you.

 

[DJ Squelch]

Bookmarks thread for when someone gets into a depot and sticks a bomb under a train and it turns out that BTP say someone hanging around but didn't want to shout or anything because that might scare them and they might run off and hurt themselves ...

Fucking ridiculous. There can never be a no-chase "policy". Every case must be treated on it's merits and if there is a possibility there is something else going on then attempts must be made to intervene.

I think the no chasing over live lines is for the chasing officers safety as much as the writers. BTP don't want to die for the graffiti wars either. If they were chasing a terrorist who if allowed to escape might go on to kill people they might be more up for running over tracks.

 

[gentlegreen]

Personally I would chain graffiti "artists" to the spot and make 'em clean it off with a toothbrush and ajax.

Bring back the stocks.

 

[exosculate]

Personally I would chain graffiti "artists" to the spot and make 'em clean it off with a toothbrush and ajax.

Bring back the stocks.

Yeah I know why you say that, but why can't they give more legitimate space over to people to do there thing. That would surely reduce the annoying badly placed tagging rubbish.

 

[JHE]

Yeah I know why you say that, but why can't they give more legitimate space over to people to do there thing. That would surely reduce the annoying badly placed tagging rubbish.

I've got nothing against giving it a good try (council-provided graffiti walls, say), but I don't think it would work. I reckon the taggers and so on want their stuff all over the place, where most other people don't want it.

 

[8ball]

Yeah I know why you say that, but why can't they give more legitimate space over to people to do there thing. That would surely reduce the annoying badly placed tagging rubbish.

Nah, the challenge of getting to somewhere dangerous is part of why the tagging is done. Other graffiti artists might well use the sanctioned spaces but the urge to tag is more akin to marking territory in a game of one-upmanship than simple self-expression.

And if no one ever died doing it, you couldn't call it 'dangerous' any more, so in a weird way the deaths that occur are a part of the feedback loop that perpetuates the tagging.

 

[gentlegreen]

Yeah I know why you say that, but why can't they give more legitimate space over to people to do there thing. That would surely reduce the annoying badly placed tagging rubbish.

The social worker in me recognises the feelings of "lack of ownership" of disaffected young people, but in cities, space is at a premium, and would they really settle for "expressing" themselves somewhere that the general public cannot see.

 

[Monkeynuts]

Its perfectly relevant. As its about who decides what is legitimate in public spaces. You put the drivel in the OP so it is relevant.

It's not drivel, just a tongue in cheek presentation that seems to have upset you.

"criminal damage to public property" - this is fact, like it or not.

"undertaking art projects using the public realm as a canvas" - without getting into the whole "is it art" shit again what's your problem with this? They are doing some painting on public things.

Advertising billboards are visible to the public and in the public domain but not on public property. The parallel you are trying to draw is inaccurate. No-one is going to stop you doing a load of tags or a fuck-off mural on the side of your house, just as you could if you wish try and sell the right to stick up a billboard to JD Decaux or whoever.

 

[exosculate]

It's not drivel, just a tongue in cheek presentation that seems to have upset you.

"criminal damage to public property" - this is fact, like it or not.

"undertaking art projects using the public realm as a canvas" - without getting into the whole "is it art" shit again what's your problem with this? They are doing some painting on public things.

Advertising billboards are visible to the public and in the public domain but not on public property. The parallel you are trying to draw is inaccurate. No-one is going to stop you doing a load of tags or a fuck-off mural on the side of your house, just as you could if you wish try and sell the right to stick up a billboard to JD Decaux or whoever.

My problem is that advertising boards do criminal damage to public space. Public space should not be used to inflict drivel on people which cannot be avoided. I do not recognise it as legitimate. But many people see it as legitimate, such as yourself, which clearly is very questionable.

 

[8ball]

No-one is going to stop you doing a load of tags or a fuck-off mural on the side of your house, just as you could if you wish try and sell the right to stick up a billboard to JD Decaux or whoever.

Actually the Council WILL often stop you doing stuff to your own property, or at the very least force you to remove it afterwards.

As for advertising billboards, I rather wish the graffiti artists would devote more time to defacing[beautifying] these.

 

[agricola]

A tragedy, lets hope it acts as a reminder to others of the dangers.

 

[detective-boy]

Well they would call BTP, They call ant territory police of suppression bomb

So you think people have to work out which police to call for which time of thing is happening do you?

And how exactly would they be supposed to know exactly what was happening? Do you think graffitti artists have big badges saying "I'm a tagger" whilst terrorists wear T-shirts emblazoned with "Death to the infidel tbe passengers!" or similar?

And you think the different units (and even different forces) are responsible for the immediate response to different types of crime do you?

Can I make a suggestion? Find out what the fuck you are talking about before gobbing off about how the police should do their job? It may just help prevent you looking quite such a twat ...

 

[Ribbit]

You're a nasty little shitstick, aren't you?

Yeah, absolutely. They got what they deserved.

 

[f for fake]

They were out breaking the law, and got killed because of it, Why should i a law abiding person feel sorry for those 2? The only people i feel sorry for are the parents and family of those who died and the train driver who hit them, while doing his job.

What next trains traveling at snail pace just in case the driver sees a trespasser and can stop in time.

It reminds me back in the 80s and 90s when kids "joy ride" stolen cars and crashed and killed themselfs. Good ridance to scum who thinks it fun to steal cars. As well as these two twats. If they are thick enough to run on to a live rail line and get hit by a train, well Darwin has wone.

you cant blame BTP as its there job to try and stop law breakers. The only people who are to blame are those 2 who are going to be 6ft under. Its time we take responability of our actions and and not to try and blame it on someone else

 

[f for fake]

They were out breaking the law, and got killed because of it, Why should i a law abiding person feel sorry for those 2? The only people i feel sorry for are the parents and family of those who died and the train driver who hit them, while doing his job.

What next trains traveling at snail pace just in case the driver sees a trespasser and can stop in time.

It reminds me back in the 80s and 90s when kids "joy ride" stolen cars and crashed and killed themselfs. Good ridance to scum who thinks it fun to steal cars. As well as these two twats. If they are thick enough to run on to a live rail line and get hit by a train, well Darwin has wone.

you cant blame BTP as its there job to try and stop law breakers. The only people who are to blame are those 2 who are going to be 6ft under. Its time we take responability of our actions and and not to try and blame it on someone else

 

[exosculate]

Actually the Council WILL often stop you doing stuff to your own property, or at the very least force you to remove it afterwards.

As for advertising billboards, I rather wish the graffiti artists would devote more time to defacing[beautifying] these.

Likewise

 

[8ball]

A tragedy, lets hope it acts as a reminder to others of the dangers.

What it will actually do is double the kudos points of tagging that particular spot.

 

[detective-boy]

If they were chasing a terrorist who if allowed to escape might go on to kill people they might be more up for running over tracks.

Precisely. The dangers to the general public, the officers and the suspects (probably in that order) are taken into account in the dynamic risk assessment made by officers confronted with any incident in which a pursuit (on foot or in vehicles) is possible. And a decision can only be made on the facts of each case.

BUT, and it is a big but, that dynamic risk assessment can only ever be second best - the basic responsibility for anything that happens is always with those who chose to act unlawfully and / or to flee in the first place. Any mistakes (or, more usually, misjudgements) made by the people forced to deal with the situation which confronts them can only ever be secondary.

Whilst we continue to act as apologists for those taking informed decisions to do unlawful / stupid / dangerous things we encourage others to ignore the implications of their choices and remove from them the responsibility for their actions.

 

[Athos]

... well Darwin has wone.

Oh, the irony.

 

[f for fake]

Oh, the irony.

pray tell athos? am i to thick to understand you

 

[Athos]

am i to thick to understand you

It just gets better!

 

[f for fake]

It just gets better!

good for you

 

[Yossarian]

Having said that, to have them mown down by a train is equally as satisfying and whilst I respect the right of their families to disagree, I put myself, along with a great many Londoners, in the camp of those who thought "good riddance" with a smile of satisfaction when I read the news this morning.

Yes, but that's because you're a cunt.