Two dead in NI shooting
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Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
So why didn't they kill a couple of bankers?
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
It really doesn't.
They don't know the way to places where bankers live?
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
Exactly.
I was looking forwards to the Troubles being history.
I was looking forwards to the Troubles being history.
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
Ah, that'd be it.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
Because that's not how economic grievances manifest themselves in all societies.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
One man’s history is another’s personal tragedy.
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
Of course; it's the bankers that send the soldiers out to act as their enforcers, innit.
Paraphrasing General Smedley Butler.
Bomber
The Oatcake Kid !!
Good !
ricbake
working out how
Cowardly murdering assassins probably hiding behind the idea of a republican dissident splinter group. Drive up to the Barracks of the Army Engineers waiting to be posted to Afganistan, and spray machine gun bullets through the main gates.
Is this a response to the call for support from the Police Chief?
Was that call a response to the 7 Million bank robbery?
Where will it go from here?
Is this a response to the call for support from the Police Chief?
Was that call a response to the 7 Million bank robbery?
Where will it go from here?
Seems like it
Police bloke asks for some sneaky beaky types to come and help him get some better intelligence on these splinter groups now that they've got more active
Some deluded 'republican' splinter group decides that not only is this whole peace process thing a waste of time but if they're going to stop them robbing banks and interrupt any other of their mobster like activities then they need to be sent a message
So they kill a couple of engineers while they were collecting a pizza from the front gate - all for the 'cause'
What a bunch of muppets - hope they get locked up for life as common criminals without any of the political status
Police bloke asks for some sneaky beaky types to come and help him get some better intelligence on these splinter groups now that they've got more active
Some deluded 'republican' splinter group decides that not only is this whole peace process thing a waste of time but if they're going to stop them robbing banks and interrupt any other of their mobster like activities then they need to be sent a message
So they kill a couple of engineers while they were collecting a pizza from the front gate - all for the 'cause'
What a bunch of muppets - hope they get locked up for life as common criminals without any of the political status
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Why did this happen? Well, if anyone thinks that Blair's light touch approach to the problems of Ireland were going to solve anything, they were wrong. Ireland is still a divided country and the north is still in British hands.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
It's not that simple. The provisions of the GFA marked a decisive break with both direct rule and the Stormont regime that preceded it. The days of 'croppies lie down' are gone, never to return, and that makes this double murder even more worthy of condemnation. There is ultimately no alternative to reunification BY CONSENT AND ONLY BY CONSENT, but this attack does nothing to assist that process.
And for what it's worth - as an Irish bog hopper myself - I condemn this attack unreservedly. Not only that, but I predict that it will have no large or lasting effect on the course Northern Ireland is set on.
For one thing, Gerry and Martin enjoy the fruits of power to let some fundie splitter undermine them. Dissident republicans in nationalist communities are going to be feeling the heat from now on. . .
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
At the heart of my post there is this point: the problems won't disappear overnight because of the GFA.
I expect the hardline Unionists and Loyalists to use this for propaganda purposes.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
Not really a reason to shoot a couple of engineers collecting a pizza - especially as they prob have nothing to do with the policing/security of NI anymore than an engineer unit in Wales has anything to do with policing/security there.
I do wonder how many of these 'republicans' actually still believe they are fighting for some sort of cause and how many are a bit more realistic and realise that they're basically just a small criminal gang now.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
I dont understand this .Do they want to start the war up again as they were to young to play first time or they just miss it?They must realise if uk government felt it could Reunite Ireland they would have done it by now .
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
From the ARRSE link posted by Goodgod:
This will be the one to watch, IMO.
After the murder of Robert McCartney I was talking to an former republican prisoner who told me that in the old days, people in nationalist areas would always leave their doors unlocked at night, in case a paramilitary on the run from the security forces needed to evade his pursuers by nipping to a randomly chosen house, and making a quick getaway out the back. That was the old days; by the time Robert McCartney was stabbed to death, popular feeling had changed, and the people's attitude was that OTRs could fend for themselves - and no, they weren't leaving their front doors on the latch anymore. That's a passive reaction - going to the peelers with information will be an active step. And it will be very interesting to see if it happens.
This will be the one to watch, IMO.
After the murder of Robert McCartney I was talking to an former republican prisoner who told me that in the old days, people in nationalist areas would always leave their doors unlocked at night, in case a paramilitary on the run from the security forces needed to evade his pursuers by nipping to a randomly chosen house, and making a quick getaway out the back. That was the old days; by the time Robert McCartney was stabbed to death, popular feeling had changed, and the people's attitude was that OTRs could fend for themselves - and no, they weren't leaving their front doors on the latch anymore. That's a passive reaction - going to the peelers with information will be an active step. And it will be very interesting to see if it happens.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Well, that is a rather mainstream view and it is one that is repeated in the media....and before you suggest it, no, I am not offering a conspiracy theory.
However, you would be wrong to think, or even suggest, that I condone this.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
Incisive.
Quite probable that it will happen tbh... Seems like the pizza delivery guys were caught up in this too & severely injured - they could have been from either community or even immigrants. If its treated/perceived as a murder rather than a contribution to the cause then I don't see why they wouldn't get witnesses coming forward with information.
Either way the security forces are likely to be dedicating a shed load of resources to catch the people responsible for this one.
Edit - quote from Gerry Adams on BBC website:
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
An interesting quote from The Bearded One there. He always chooses his words very carefully indeed. . .
Also, this case could do to support for dissidents what the murder of Boyle Somerville did to support for the 'ra in the 1930s Free State. . . i.e. turn out to be a massive own goal. . .That's the best case scenario, anyway.
Also, this case could do to support for dissidents what the murder of Boyle Somerville did to support for the 'ra in the 1930s Free State. . . i.e. turn out to be a massive own goal. . .That's the best case scenario, anyway.
