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Athos

Well-Known Member
can i tell my usual story how i picked up my Garrard 401 (with SME 3009 a) for £20 at a closing down sale.
You got it from a record shop in Camden, and it was missing a power lead and a spring? That story? If so, please do.
 

ska invita

back on the other side
Im very sceptical about the audiophile sound differences between turntables...surely the only component that actually makes a difference to the sound is the needle...and the wiring to a certain extent. Everything else is just design and feel. So long as it successfully turns a record round at the correct speeds. Needles definitely make a big difference though.
I think last time I said that I nearly got lynched.
What do you reckon beesonthewhatnow ?
 

beesonthewhatnow

going deaf for a living
Im very sceptical about the audiophile sound differences between turntables...surely the only component that actually makes a difference to the sound is the needle...and the wiring to a certain extent. Everything else is just design and feel. So long as it successfully turns a record round at the correct speeds. Needles definitely make a big difference though.
I think last time I said that I nearly got lynched.
What do you reckon beesonthewhatnow ?
It’s one of those things where technically the mechanics of the turntable can make a significant difference. Speed consistency, platter stability, tonearm isolation etc.

Like so much hifi guff though, the reality is that some of the differences between different models may be so minor as to be sonically irrelevant.

Good speakers, the acoustics of the room, and for vinyl the phono preamp stage of the amplifier are still by far the most important areas that effect what you actually hear.
 

rutabowa

LOSE IT
You got it from a record shop in Camden, and it was missing a power lead and a spring? That story? If so, please do.
I've installed it in a draw in a "media unit" now, with the amp and tape player on the other section and all the wires concealed at the back. Photos to come.
 

rutabowa

LOSE IT
100% a big solid turntable, set in a heavy plynth, with a fat motor sounds much much better than a light plastic one; even my dead ears can notice the difference. Cheap ones feedback really easily, and that is cos they're made of lightweight materials.
 

ska invita

back on the other side
Cheap ones also have shit needles

And yeah, so long as it's doing the basics right - turning properly and not feeding back - the majority surely rests firmly in the needle
 

beesonthewhatnow

going deaf for a living
More important than the actual needle/cartridge is how its installed on the tonearm - all the things like alignment to the platter, tracking weight, anti skate and so on. Get those wrong and the best cartridge in the world will still sound like shite.
 

rutabowa

LOSE IT
"not feeding back" is why all the materials that the rest of the turntable is made out of is important... it might be a basic, but reducing feedback to as close to zero as possible is like the holy grail.
 

Athos

Well-Known Member
Cheap ones also have shit needles

And yeah, so long as it's doing the basics right - turning properly and not feeding back - the majority surely rests firmly in the needle
The cartridge is important, but I think you're massively underestimating the importance of a number of other factors e.g. isolation, quality of bearings, constitency of motor, deviations from loose platter or belt etc., set-up - anti-skate, tracking, alignment, etc. (not to mention the importance of other components like phonostage and speakers). Of course, there's a load of audiofoolery around turntables (and I'm sure lots of people area spending thousands for 'improvements' they can't hear, but imagine they can) , but there's also a lot of science, and some immediately audibly obvious differences between cheap and (well set up) decent turntables, even with the same stylus.
 

editor

hiraethified
More important than the actual needle/cartridge is how its installed on the tonearm - all the things like alignment to the platter, tracking weight, anti skate and so on. Get those wrong and the best cartridge in the world will still sound like shite.
And the cables with dual-layer counter-wound foil cover, of course. Just £90.
 

editor

hiraethified
macintosh setup with some other, very sweet, turntable



macintosh setup with, I'm sure perfectly sweet, macintosh turntable

I'm sure it sounds awesomeballs great but all those illuminated logos and oversized VU meters are fucking ugly.
 
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