Turkey, ISIS, Kurds and Syria

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by frogwoman, Jul 25, 2015.

  1. dialectician

    dialectician The Main Enemy is at home.

    In Syria they are a rabble though. and even if they are not, assad has far out-dwarfed them by this point. It's not 2015.
     
  2. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    IS are very good at falling back on insurgency tactics and as for Assad he can't do very much alone; he has to rely on help from the Russians, Iranians and Hezbollah.
     
  3. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  4. dialectician

    dialectician The Main Enemy is at home.

    why would it piss off erdogan? the coordinates in TR have totally changed. assad must stay. 'power vacuum must be prevented.'
     
  5. dialectician

    dialectician The Main Enemy is at home.

    Not iranians. aim is to pry assad away from them in syria. That was US's game all along. Gulf arabs will now be Bashar's big allies. Europe will support it.
     
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  6. dialectician

    dialectician The Main Enemy is at home.

    it's erdogan that is trapped between a rock and a hard place. he'll have to keep his gob shut in the next year or things could get v v ugly in tr.

    predicting a rejig to 2010.
     
  7. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    Yes, I would agree with that. Also noticed yesterday that the UAE is reopening it's diplomatic mission in Syria and that Assad is to be invited to the Arab League summit in Tunisia.
     
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  8. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    All those anti tank weapons in Kurdish hands? It says as much in the article.
     
  9. dialectician

    dialectician The Main Enemy is at home.

    yeah i guess erdogan will do some shouty anti-american biz to demonstrate hes on the side of the far right. but that's what it will come to really. noone cares about him anymore, even his supporters.

    Overall though, TR/US relations will be normalised.
     
  10. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  11. Patteran

    Patteran A nowadays excuse

    Isn't that what sank a prospective deal in Afrin? Damascus/Moscow demanded YPG surrender all (heavy) weaponry if the SAA was going to secure the border with Turkey? This could be just be PR positioning - anonymous Pentagon sources play good cop, go on record saying weaponry should be kept, knowing the Damascus bad cop will insist anyway.
     
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  12. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

  13. dialectician

    dialectician The Main Enemy is at home.

    Why are people focusing on the US withdrawal. yes they say that they aren't arguing from a pro US military position then go to whitewash YPG's sustained alliance. US withdrawal is not the big thing here.
     
  14. dialectician

    dialectician The Main Enemy is at home.

    Come on guys. get some bloody perspective. it's always not being class reductionist enough when u criticise fellow white leftists. so why are you applying this nonsense. what about the kurdish paramilitary ultranats of the 70s? the kurdish islamists in AKP? the kurdish alevi kemalists? By all means be anti-turkish state, i certainly am, but why does this mean anti-turkism trumps everythıng else?
     
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  15. dialectician

    dialectician The Main Enemy is at home.

    load of codswallop. this guy isn't pro-national liberation, he's gone full blood and soil ethnic nationalist. helps if you never grew up there doesn't it. nationalistic tourism.

    the US hasn't wanted Assad gone for at least 4 years now. at least. this is shit.
     
  16. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    I thought it was quite good actually, though wrt to Assad it would probably be more correct to say the US has never wanted Assad gone even so it is not unheard of for different government bodies to be working with different aims. Furthermore the writer makes disclaimers in the preamble which for me at least work both ways as they say they are not in a position to know all the angles, not being from the region however this in some ways allows them a more objective viewpoint. Doesn't particularly smell like nationalistic tourism to me either.

     
  17. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    I'd be interested to know their connections over there. They say they're not integrated with an organization or party, but that's pretty unusual there. And yeah, compared to many (nearly all?) westerners that have been there they come across as relatively critical, even if those criticisms are largely unwritten in that piece.
     
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  18. Geri

    Geri wasn't born to follow

    I agree, the article is shockingly ill informed. This bit:

    shows a lack of knowledge about how the Syrian Kurds were treated by the Assad regime historically, and also makes me question whether in fact the 'locals' he refers to are actually Syrians or Kurds who have come over the border from Turkey. I've talked to a lot of Syrian Kurds over the years and they all hate the Assad regime with a passion. Neither are they too enamoured of the YPG, in fact most of them fled rather than fight for it.
     
  19. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    I agree about the confusion with there being loads of Turkish Kurds in Northern Syria since the establishment of Rojava, and how they often have a very different perspective than the Syrian Kurds, something that's often missed if you're not from the region. There's also (probably predictably) a bit of antagonism between the two sometimes, especially when the Turkish Kurds are PKK.
     
  20. dialectician

    dialectician The Main Enemy is at home.

    That is what my dads acquaintances and ppl in Urfa said on the street as well (there's always been crossing between urfa and syria.) they laughed at the whole rojava thing. 'everyone run away.'
     
  21. dialectician

    dialectician The Main Enemy is at home.

    Most turkish kurds out of Diyarbakir and the academic left ghetto aren't too enamoured of the PKK either. gangster revolutionary taxation tactics. bombing mosques, shooting teachers, getting conscripted Kurds needlessly killed. bit of a shitshow really. Some just think it's the 'least bad' option we've got. hardly a ringing endorsement is it?
     
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  22. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    So from Stalingrad/Kobani to the Nazi/Soviet pact in a few short years.

    Syrian Kurds seek Damascus deal regardless of U.S. moves

    Syrian Kurdish leaders aim to secure a Russian-mediated political deal with President Bashar al-Assad’s government regardless of U.S. plans to withdraw from their region, a senior Kurdish official told Reuters.

    ...

    “The final decision is (to reach an) agreement with Damascus, we will work in this direction regardless of the cost, even if the Americans object,” Jia Kurd said in the northern Syrian city of Qamishli.

    “Our view is that (Russia) is trying to open new horizons with Damascus, this is what we sensed from them.”
     
  23. Nigel

    Nigel For A Degenerates' Workers State

    Copies Of Flame !
     

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  24. Patteran

    Patteran A nowadays excuse

    The US suggested approach, according to this -

    This is the closest I've seen to an inside line on the current situation - unusually (for english language reporting), it features direct quotes from interviews with SDF & PYD.

    https://thedefensepost.com/2019/01/02/syria-kurds-future-us-turkey/
     
  25. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  26. Patteran

    Patteran A nowadays excuse

    Canadian jihadi captured by SDF. Thought to be the voice of some of the highest-profile IS english language snuff propaganda, & was filmed murdering prisoners. The banality of evil with a dead eyed, dead pan delivery. Couple of interesting comments, particularly his suggestion that hundreds/thousands of IS killers & their families are arranging passage into Turkey through smugglers. Wondering if he's the source of the latest rumour that British hostage John Cantlie is still alive in the remaining enclave.

     
  27. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  28. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  29. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Good choice PKK - let's see the western anarchists call on the USAF now.

    Assad Regime — We Will Retake “Every Inch” of Kurdish Territory

    The Ministry said that the Syrian government is resolved, with the help of the friendly countries and allies, to restore each inch of the Syrian territories and liberate them from terrorism, in addition to reconstructing what has been destroyed due to terrorism.

    It is also resolved to liberate areas controlled by the separatist terrorist militias of the so-called “QASAD”, as the Syrian people will not allow them to harm the country’s unity and sovereignty.
     
  30. Mr.Bishie

    Mr.Bishie Well-Known Member

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