Tuc votes for boycott, sanctions & divestment against israel

[Spion]

How is querying something that took place 'mouthing off from a position of ignorance'?

S/he specifically stated that the TUC was putting an inordinate amount of time and energy into this matter without providing a shred of evidence about a) how much time and energy had actually gone into it and b) what proportion of time and energy that was compared to the overall use of TUC resources.

IE, s/he didn't know. S/he was ignorant of the facts

Just to remind you

Oh, for goodness sake. I wish they'd put as much time and energy into matters closer to home.

 

[Fedayn]

S/he specifically stated that the TUC was putting an inordinate amount of time and energy into this matter without providing a shred of evidence about a) how much time and energy had actually gone into it and b) what proportion of time and energy that was compared to the overall use of TUC resources.

IE, s/he didn't know. S/he was ignorant of the facts

Just to remind you

Yeah that's right, 'mouthing off'. A tiny less than one line remark..... You're a sensitive soul aren't you?

 

[Spion]

Yeah that's right, 'mouthing off'. A tiny less than one line remark..... You're a sensitive soul aren't you?

Can you not see the irony in your labouring this point?

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Oh, for goodness sake. I wish they'd put as much time and energy into matters closer to home.

To my mind it is an issue that's close to home.

Not on the internet properly at mo so haven't read the details but i heard on the radio that they were proposing a boycott of goods produced in Palestinian territory illegally occupied by Israelis.

That is an issue that's close to home if you're wandering round the fruit and veg aisles in your local Tesco and buy some produce that is labelled as from 'Israel' but in reality it's not, it's from a settlement farm in the Palestinian West Bank. There have been instances in the past where Tesco, certainly, has mis-labelled produce in contravention of EU laws or regulations.

That is close to home if there is something in your local supermarket that you might buy in all innocence but which has been mislabelled and as a result you might be helping to fund human rights abuses and oppression of Palestinians perpetrated by Israelis.

I personally think that's a local issue if that's happening in my local supermarket.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh, for goodness sake. I wish they'd put as much time and energy into matters closer to home.

If they'd done it when first mooted (1980s IIRC) by members, rather than running scared, they wouldn't be getting people saying "I wish they'd put as much time and energy into matters closer to home" now!

 

[ViolentPanda]

LOL.

We have unemployment rocketing, we have an economy that is n real trouble and we have a Government that have to make cuts in public spending and the TUC find time to deal with this sort of thing.

The left deserve to be the irrelevance that they have become.

The TUC have (and I'm sure that they sometimes wish that they didn't) an obligation to listen to representations from their members. It's called "democracy".

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

p.s. Also, and with specific relevance to trade unions, it's an issue to workers...

What if you're a shopworker and you don't like to think you're selling products that fund human rights abuses and oppression?

What if you're a truck driver who doesn't want the haulage company if works for to make him pick up from the distribution warehouse and deliver to the supermarkets such mislabelled produce and become an enabler, a part of the process of human rights abuses?

If it was, as I heard on the radio, related to a call for a boycott of mislabelled products - maybe that wasn't all of it, there may be more - then it's not just some esoteric academic barney. It has relevance to trade union members locally if they don't want to drive such products in their trucks or sell such products in their supermarkets.

 

[cesare]

does this move mean that they will not be funding/endorsing any Labour candidates who are Labour Friends of Israel?

Dunno.

 

[cesare]

Can you not see the irony in your labouring this point?

You're the one that's labouring it. Fed's able to provide information in a polite way (whether or not I agree wth it), you've done nothing except get defensive and with no accompanying information.

 

[cesare]

A minority of TUC membership (c. 2 million out of 7 million) supports the Labour Party.

TUC can talk about whatever it wants but, as each union has the right to take its own position, it can't resolve or action anything about unions' relationship with the Labour Party.

If you're looking for the body that coordinates the Labour Party-affiliated unions' relationship with the Party, it's called TULO.

I hadn't heard of TULO, thanks for that. But wrt to TUC membership, I'm a bit confused by what you mean. There's no separate TUC membership for individuals is there? Individuals belong to their unions, and the unions are/are not members of the TUC?

 

[cesare]

If they'd done it when first mooted (1980s IIRC) by members, rather than running scared, they wouldn't be getting people saying "I wish they'd put as much time and energy into matters closer to home" now!

Would the 80s have been better timing for the TUC to turn attention to Israel without criticism regarding pressing matters closer to home?

 

[Fedayn]

Can you not see the irony in your labouring this point?

No, are you going to put me right you chin stroker?!

 

[Urbanblues]

does this move mean that they will not be funding/endorsing any Labour candidates who are Labour Friends of Israel?

The loniest stand at the TUC this year and any other year.

 

[Urbanblues]

...chin stroker?!

That's bang out of order.

 

[cesare]

To my mind it is an issue that's close to home.

Not on the internet properly at mo so haven't read the details but i heard on the radio that they were proposing a boycott of goods produced in Palestinian territory illegally occupied by Israelis.

That is an issue that's close to home if you're wandering round the fruit and veg aisles in your local Tesco and buy some produce that is labelled as from 'Israel' but in reality it's not, it's from a settlement farm in the Palestinian West Bank. There have been instances in the past where Tesco, certainly, has mis-labelled produce in contravention of EU laws or regulations.

That is close to home if there is something in your local supermarket that you might buy in all innocence but which has been mislabelled and as a result you might be helping to fund human rights abuses and oppression of Palestinians perpetrated by Israelis.

I personally think that's a local issue if that's happening in my local supermarket.

If it's an issue for you, fine. Can't say that it occupies (lol) too much of my time except in an abstract, solidarity type way. I'm more likely to wonder about what the produce assistant is being paid, and how many unpaid hours they're doing tbh.

 

[Urbanblues]

I hadn't heard of TULO, thanks for that. But wrt to TUC membership, I'm a bit confused by what you mean. There's no separate TUC membership for individuals is there? Individuals belong to their unions, and the unions are/are not members of the TUC?

Yes; that's right.

And, the TUC most assuredly has no say in who funds the Labour Party or how much they contribute.

 

[Spion]

No, are you going to put me right you chin stroker?!

*chortle* No. I can see you're spoiling for a fight but it amuses me more to watch your pathetic attempts at trying to goad me.

 

[Fedayn]

That's bang out of order.

is it?

 

[Fedayn]

*chortle* No. I can see you're spoiling for a fight but it amuses me more to watch your pathetic attempts at trying to goad me.

Oh, such wit....

 

[Spion]

That's bang out of order.

Heinous insults indeed I'm wounded

 

[phildwyer]

*chortle* No. I can see you're spoiling for a fight but it amuses me more to watch your pathetic attempts at trying to goad me.

Spion, can you just go away please? Some people are trying to have a serious discussion here, and you're not helping with this kind of thing.

Thank you in advance.

Twat.

 

[Pickman's model]

Spion, can you just go away please? Some people are trying to have a serious discussion here, and you're not helping with this kind of thing.

Thank you in advance.

Twat.

 

[Sasaferrato]

http://english.wafa.ps/?action=detail&id=13094

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/sep/17/tuc-back-boycott-israel-goods

Well done brothers. Put the boot in on the only democracy in the Middle East.

 

[Spion]

Spion, can you just go away please? Some people are trying to have a serious discussion here, and you're not helping with this kind of thing.

Thank you in advance.

Twat.

*genuine LOLz*

You never miss an opportunity to swing the handbag, do you Phil?

This thread could be beef-tastic. I'm PMing Revol

 

[Spion]

Well done brothers. Put the boot in on the only democracy in the Middle East.

Fuck off you old twat, we're set for a bar-room brawl here

 

[phildwyer]

Fuck off you old twat, we're set for a bar-room brawl here

Whose round is it anyway?

Not Pickman's, he's teetotal....

 

[Pickman's model]

Well done brothers. Put the boot in on the only democracy in the Middle East.

yeh it's a democracy like apartheid south africa was a democracy

 

[Pickman's model]

Whose round is it anyway?

Not Pickman's, he's teetotal....

the only reason i'd buy you a pint is to throw it in your face, including glass

 

[cesare]

Yes; that's right.

And, the TUC most assuredly has no say in who funds the Labour Party or how much they contribute.

But the biggest and most influential members of the TUC are the ones that contribute most significantly to the Labour Party?

 

[the button]

I remember the olden days when the TUC conference used to be on the telly. Just read the links -- so it's a targetted boycott, which isn't clear from the thread title.

It's the Nescafe left, innit. This will be as effective as any other consumer boycott.