Tsar Putin's troops beat protestors

[ViolentPanda]

oh I see!

This is "Ally myself with Nino" time is it?

Help yourself mate, you get involved with your self-satisfied bully session with Nina , I'm not bothered.

You should read his post again, you might see my point.
But then, I doubt this is about having a point, more needless willy waving from inadequate cunts (nino)

Once again PtG shows why he shouldn't be let out without a minder.

Pete, this isn't "ally with nino" day, it's never "ally with nino" day.

It's always "correct Pete the Greek because he's talking shit again day", though, unfortunately for you.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Putin is a nasty piece of work. I could not believe that the Kremlin passed a bill allowing the russian state to knock people off.

There's an argument to be made that at least they (the Russians) are being honest about the extent to which they enforce their political control, whereas other countries do exactly the same thing but deny that it happens.

It's a shitty argument to make, but it is a valid one.

 

[ViolentPanda]

how dare you call me a cunt! That's a joke, coming from one of the most insdious, snidy, nasty posters on Urban.

I won't report, it'd give you the satisfaction of coming out the victor. I know FM is in cahoots with you and a number of others.



go on, you win. Well done.

Fucking hell, you're well deluded, aren't you?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Right, I think this thread has now sufficiantly covered all the aspects of police brutality in Putin's Russia.

A truely comprehenisve read

Brutality in one outpost of capitalism is much the same as brutality in any other outpost of capitalism, the difference is in the degree of brutality Putin's powers as the democratically-elected political leader of Russia allow him to authorise.

Let's be blunt, if Blair, Bush or dozens of others had those powers they'd use them too.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Since I'm clearly "in cahoots" with everybody, it won't come as anything of a surprise if I offer up a warning to people popping into different threads to aim personal insults at other people and annoy everyone else: don't. Even on a Sunday.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Since I'm clearly "in cahoots" with everybody, it won't come as anything of a surprise if I offer up a warning to people popping into different threads to aim personal insults at other people and annoy everyone else: don't. Even on a Sunday.

That's not what you said in that secret PM to me where you told me to have a go at Pete the Greek.

 

[Pete the Greek]

That's not what you said in that secret PM to me where you told me to have a go at Pete the Greek.

conspiracy! I knew it!

 

[TAE]

There's an argument to be made that at least they (the Russians) are being honest about the extent to which they enforce their political control, whereas other countries do exactly the same thing but deny that it happens.

It's a shitty argument to make, but it is a valid one.

An alternative argument is: If they admit to this, what are they doing in secret.

 

[mears]

yes. bush is nothing only 2nd class dick.

What does George Bush have to do with it?

 

[mears]

Why do you have to bring it full circle and turn it against Bush?
Don't you have anything to say about Putin, or is ALL your knowledge about how dreadful the US is?
I bet Indymedia is your homepage.

Asshole.

I have been around here for some years now and have gotten into a lot of arguments with a lot of people.

I put Nino on ignore long ago, he is truly a waste of time. Strange he responds to me even though I have him on ignore

You might think about putting him on ignore as well

 

[mears]

and since the US wants to rule the world, we are entitled to criticize the US.

WHat does this have to do with demonstrations in Russia?

 

[Dandred]

WHat does this have to do with demonstrations in Russia?

Isn't Russia one of your allies on T.W.A.T. ? ?


The US helps Russia, Russia helps the US.

 

[slaar]

There's an argument to be made that at least they (the Russians) are being honest about the extent to which they enforce their political control, whereas other countries do exactly the same thing but deny that it happens.

It's a shitty argument to make, but it is a valid one.

Well, not really. There seems always to be a tendency among those in power to increase their control, often through coercive means, as Orwell illustrated so well. But countries where there are more checks and balances make it harder to do so. That doesn't mean that those in charge won't try, or will try and hide it, but it does mean it's both harder and less likely that more extreme coercive measures will be engaged.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

Putin got 71% of the votes and has high approval ratings. Unlike Bush, Blair and the other G8 cunts, at least he's a popular dick.

is there truly freedom of expression in Russia? who controls the media? where do the russian get their informations?

 

[guinnessdrinker]

WHat does this have to do with demonstrations in Russia?

I replied to another poster

 

[guinnessdrinker]

What does George Bush have to do with it?

well, I was compared dickheads

 

[bluestreak]

Right, I think this thread has now sufficiantly covered all the aspects of police brutality in Putin's Russia.

A truely comprehenisve read

my thoughts exactly.

and tbh, if it wasn't for garry kasparov it would have received even less coverage than it already has. but of course, putin, like bush, is a friend of this country so no doubt our heroic PM will say absolutely nothing whatsoever like the moral coward he is.

 

[ViolentPanda]

An alternative argument is: If they admit to this, what are they doing in secret.

The same shit "they" (by which I mean the state apparatus) have been doing hundreds of years; policing dissent with an iron fist, running agents provocateurs, accumulating power to the centre, that sort of stuff.

 

[mears]

Always missing the big picture around here.

Europe is beholded to Russia for energy imports. Without Russian enegy supplies the continent of Euope is in big trouble. Its the first time I know of that Russia has such a direct economic influence on the affairs of Euopre.

So have fun relying on an increasing authoritarian, but also unstable Russia to heat your homes.

 

[laptop]

Stephen Sackur interviews Kasparov (RealMedia)

And so does Stephen Moss - Guardian text.

Too much about chess and not enough about politics: the "Committee 2008" is described (BBC) as encompassing left and right.

E2A: Sackur says it includes the "National Bolshevik Party" - popularly described as "fascists" and self-described ultra-nationalists. Kasparov is defending them (13:25) on. No longer any mystery as to why certain trolls are publicising him here.

 

[TAE]

The same shit "they" (by which I mean the state apparatus) have been doing hundreds of years; policing dissent with an iron fist, running agents provocateurs, accumulating power to the centre, that sort of stuff.

Indeed.

 

[TAE]

Always missing the big picture around here.

Europe is beholded to Russia for energy imports. Without Russian enegy supplies the continent of Euope is in big trouble. Its the first time I know of that Russia has such a direct economic influence on the affairs of Euopre.

So have fun relying on an increasing authoritarian, but also unstable Russia to heat your homes.

If you think no one in Europe is concerned about that then you are really not very well informed.

 

[nino_savatte]

I have been around here for some years now and have gotten into a lot of arguments with a lot of people.

I put Nino on ignore long ago, he is truly a waste of time. Strange he responds to me even though I have him on ignore

You might think about putting him on ignore as well

Aye and we all know why you put me on ignore, mears and it has nothing to do with the 'reasons' that you have outlined.

If anyone is a "waste of time", it is you. You are ill-informed and well, pretty fucking thick. You have no intention of discussing anything with anybody. You and PtG should get along just fine.

 

[Darios]

I read an article in the New Statesman a couple of years ago which stated that Blair "admires" Putin and Berlusconi. It put the shivers up me. I'll link it up if I'm able to find it.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

I read an article in the New Statesman a couple of years ago which stated that Blair "admires" Putin and Berlusconi. It put the shivers up me. I'll link it up if I'm able to find it.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Putin got 71% of the votes and has high approval ratings. Unlike Bush, Blair and the other G8 cunts, at least he's a popular dick.

Russian opinion polls, to be trusted?

 

[Barking_Mad]

By the way for UK peeps there is a documentary on Channel 4 about the murder of that Russian journo. 9pm i think, but you might like to check

 

[paulhackett]

Calling Putin a Tsar just about sums it up. Nothing appearfs to have changed in the way the 'opposition' is treated.

As for the UK nodding to Putin as Russia now provided energy, that is true, but we also seem to have a lot of his opponents here, some are even still alive.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Calling Putin a Tsar just about sums it up. Nothing appearfs to have changed in the way the 'opposition' is treated.

As for the UK nodding to Putin as Russia now provided energy, that is true, but we also seem to have a lot of his opponents here, some are even still alive.

That may not be as benevolent as it at first appears, though.

We (and the US especially) have a long history of harbouring the opposition of countries we're "friends" with. It can give a good lever for fanning internal dissent in that country and destabilising regimes.
Perhaps our altruism is a convenient cover?

 

[RhymnRzn]

Interesting to hear that Kasparov was fined the equivalent of 40 u.s.d............ like "don't do it again, or we'll fine you 50".

Taking the hammer to the anvil here, I wanted to share some of my own thoughts on our neighbors in Russia.

The prophecy of scripture shows forth (in Daniel 7:5) a celestial rendition of a bear (a northern animal that likes to be associated with Russia in Biblical roles), to which certain voices said to "Arise, devour much flesh". Notice how the word does not go on to say that it did devour much flesh, perhaps to give place for God's will to use, that instead of actually allowing the bear to devour much flesh, a celestial manifestation might result, a spiritual effect on the ground: this could benefit in stopping the worsening of the situation, especially if we considered Russia's sudden role in standing between all warring parties in Iraq, for one thing, to actually help calm down the hostilities.

Another problem remaining to play out is that there is a falsehood held among a world wide network of hypocritical carnal-war-justifying Christians, saying that Meshech is Moscow, in the prophesied northern province Gog-Magog (see the book of Ezekiel 38-39 and Revelation 16). These false prophets think to use such lies to their own advantage, in that the Mother Babylon rules over the kings of the earth for a season, usurping power, as she rides the beast which will in some way come to have the feet of a bear.

The fact is, it will be through this process of practising, proving, and of trial, that the main actors will finally come to the foray.

Have a good day.