Truths the Israelis seem unable to accept
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nino_savatte
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Lock&Light said:
Lay off the crack, fuckwit.
nino_savatte said:
Don't worry, nino. I know you love me really.
nino_savatte
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Lock&Light said:Don't worry, nino. I know you love me really.
I've always reckoned you to be a fantasist: you imagine that your discursive abilities far exceed those of others and you're convinced that your snide remarks are adequate substitutes for well reasoned and intelligent contributions.
Pity for you that you're so very wrong.
This is you
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039808/
nino_savatte said:
What amazing powers of insight you have, nino.
nino_savatte
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Lock&Light said:What amazing powers of insight you have, nino.
Glad you agree with my assessment of you. That's the first time hat I've ever managed to get anything that resembles the truth from you.
nino_savatte said:
One day you will understand irony, nino.
nino_savatte
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You don't 'do' irony, just pathetic attempts at humour.
Lock&Light said:What amazing powers of insight you have, nino.
you're a prick.
Captain Kirk said:you're a prick.
And what amazing powers of insight do you have, Sonny Jim?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Captain Kirk said:you're a prick.
Pricks are occasionally useful, whereas L&L....
ViolentPanda said:
Still pretending to ignore me, I see.
nino_savatte
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Still stalking posters I see.
nino_savatte said:
Who is stalking who, nino?
nino_savatte
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Lock&Light said:
You, that's what you do.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=3947497
There is hardly a single post on this list where you've made a contribution. Almost all of these posts are you following me around the boards.
I think chymeara is right about you: you are a psychopath. Your behaviour here conforms to all 16 points on the list.
cemertyone
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warren said:
Oh Warren go peddle you ADF stuff elsewhere love..there`s a good chap.....
Nino: You are right, I did make a mistake. I allowed your claim to stand on its own. I made the assumption that you were correct. You are not. As of the 1st of this year (2007) we had 8 of our people in all of Iraq (not including foreingers such as IDF Observers, NGOs, Jewish members of foreing armed forces and the like). None serve in govt.
There IS one in Iran but even he is wising up (having written a screed to Ahmadinejad politely condeming his anti-Jewishness).
As I said, how many Jews serve in Arab govts (Iran is not Arab so even that does not count)?
"Zionist underground was responsbile for driving Iraqi Jewry from their homes and into Israel..." You say this often. YOu must base your beliefs on the comments of boderline personalities like Giladi. Is it any wonder that he only got his book published in 2003? what? Half a centiry and not even an Arab publishing house , ones that publish copies of the "Protocols", see fit to market it?
Try and study Nino. If you fdo, maybe you will learn of Rasheed Ali, the man behind the Nazi alliance and the Farhud Pogrom that killed more than 200 Jews,or how in 47 they began locking up wealthy Jews and snatching their properties (still no restitution). You need to learn how in 48 they outlawed any Jews in the civil service, or the quotas placed upon Jewish students. I can go on and on. No need for Zionist intrigue Nino, Arabs drove us out easily enough.
GMarthews: "Hudna, no proof of it." Wrong. HAMAS has said so MANY times. Do you wish for me to post it? Arafat said as much after Oslo and many times afterwards as well. In a way I do not blame you or others here for not knowing much about it because it is spoken in Arabic usually and most of their English comments and speeches do not use the word, as if it could even be easily translated.
"1 State Solution." Except neither we nor they want it (outside of the PFLP and they are no longer worthy of even mentioning, they are powerless).
"Moving en masse to a land with inhabitants." First, not all of Israelis "moved there." A fair number such as my own family were there since the Bible.
Second, most of those "inhabitants" you are talking about came there only within the last half of the Ottoman Era. When THEY came, my people were already there. Again, we settled there more than 2000 years bfore the first Arab existed.
"Why use the Star of David if it is not a religious symbl." The answer is simple, because Israel is not a religious nation, but secular one, it utlised a secular, nationalistic symbol. The Star was the symbol of the Kingdom of Judea under David Melech (King David).
"Would Rachamim be against removing the Star, as a concession,etc.?" Of course I would. IT IS A JEWISH NATION. What then, is incorrect about symbolising it? DO you suggest that Arab nations remove their symbols? Why only Jews? I find it curious.
"Israel is a Jewish word." YOu still do not understand there is a distinct difference between the Jewish People and the Jewish Religion. Israel has both a religious connotation and a nationalist connotation. We use it in the nationalist sense since the current State exists on land that was (mostly) of the ancient nation of Israel (interestingly enough, Judea, the other Jewish nation, exists in much of what is now the "WB" hmmmm).
"Not taking care because Rachamim misspelled "nation" 8 times..." While I feel that word was mistyped, I usually do have problems with spelling since English is about my 5th or 6th language. How is your Arabic spelling? See that is my first language and I take the time to try and communicate to you in yours. Think about it.
"Number of Arab MKs in Israel for 2 million plus Arab Israelis." Um, I certainly did, go back and reread the thread,I offered you full data on that. Funny that you just accused me of not taking time since I mispelled a word in a foreign (to me) language.
"Supermarket metaphor." No, I neither accept nor find it 'good.'
There IS one in Iran but even he is wising up (having written a screed to Ahmadinejad politely condeming his anti-Jewishness).
As I said, how many Jews serve in Arab govts (Iran is not Arab so even that does not count)?
"Zionist underground was responsbile for driving Iraqi Jewry from their homes and into Israel..." You say this often. YOu must base your beliefs on the comments of boderline personalities like Giladi. Is it any wonder that he only got his book published in 2003? what? Half a centiry and not even an Arab publishing house , ones that publish copies of the "Protocols", see fit to market it?
Try and study Nino. If you fdo, maybe you will learn of Rasheed Ali, the man behind the Nazi alliance and the Farhud Pogrom that killed more than 200 Jews,or how in 47 they began locking up wealthy Jews and snatching their properties (still no restitution). You need to learn how in 48 they outlawed any Jews in the civil service, or the quotas placed upon Jewish students. I can go on and on. No need for Zionist intrigue Nino, Arabs drove us out easily enough.
GMarthews: "Hudna, no proof of it." Wrong. HAMAS has said so MANY times. Do you wish for me to post it? Arafat said as much after Oslo and many times afterwards as well. In a way I do not blame you or others here for not knowing much about it because it is spoken in Arabic usually and most of their English comments and speeches do not use the word, as if it could even be easily translated.
"1 State Solution." Except neither we nor they want it (outside of the PFLP and they are no longer worthy of even mentioning, they are powerless).
"Moving en masse to a land with inhabitants." First, not all of Israelis "moved there." A fair number such as my own family were there since the Bible.
Second, most of those "inhabitants" you are talking about came there only within the last half of the Ottoman Era. When THEY came, my people were already there. Again, we settled there more than 2000 years bfore the first Arab existed.
"Why use the Star of David if it is not a religious symbl." The answer is simple, because Israel is not a religious nation, but secular one, it utlised a secular, nationalistic symbol. The Star was the symbol of the Kingdom of Judea under David Melech (King David).
"Would Rachamim be against removing the Star, as a concession,etc.?" Of course I would. IT IS A JEWISH NATION. What then, is incorrect about symbolising it? DO you suggest that Arab nations remove their symbols? Why only Jews? I find it curious.
"Israel is a Jewish word." YOu still do not understand there is a distinct difference between the Jewish People and the Jewish Religion. Israel has both a religious connotation and a nationalist connotation. We use it in the nationalist sense since the current State exists on land that was (mostly) of the ancient nation of Israel (interestingly enough, Judea, the other Jewish nation, exists in much of what is now the "WB" hmmmm).
"Not taking care because Rachamim misspelled "nation" 8 times..." While I feel that word was mistyped, I usually do have problems with spelling since English is about my 5th or 6th language. How is your Arabic spelling? See that is my first language and I take the time to try and communicate to you in yours. Think about it.
"Number of Arab MKs in Israel for 2 million plus Arab Israelis." Um, I certainly did, go back and reread the thread,I offered you full data on that. Funny that you just accused me of not taking time since I mispelled a word in a foreign (to me) language.
"Supermarket metaphor." No, I neither accept nor find it 'good.'
Cemerty: Israel is my home because I am not only a citizen of it, I have lived most of life there, spilled blood for it (2 times), fought wars for it (4 to date, have 3 kids in its military, own a house there, and plan to move back one day. I livedin America until July 06, moved back home, then July moved to the Philippines which is my wife's homeland.
Spion: "Books on 48 and Ethnic Cleansing by Zionists, of Arabs." First, neither book quoted by you says any of those 3 passages. You are quoting things found on fringe propaganda sites. I will add that Begin WAS a terrorist but he only killed British govt. workers and to be honest, that does not exactly qualify as terrorism to alot of folks (including me). If Arabs only aimed for soldiers and MKs I would not fight them half as hard.
Fact is, if it were all true, all Arabs would be gone and we now have more than 2 million who are proud to be Israelis (one is a squadmate). They live and function entirely as Israelis (with some exceptions of course, just as some Jewish Israeis are the exception as well). SOME Arabs were scared off. It continued up until 53. The vast majority however , if scared, were scared by their own propaganda.
Warren: Saying it would be better if Hitler killed all Jews is atrocious and is emblematic of this site. I notice that all the people who have no problem calling me all manner of names, said not a word to that vile and racist statement. Good for you, be proud of yourselves because silence equals complicty.
Perhaps Lock and Light meant to adress it with the Crusader comment but I cannot discern the nuance (my English is limited in this sense). If you meant to to do so, please forgive me for including you with all the other hypocrites on this site.
Spion: "Books on 48 and Ethnic Cleansing by Zionists, of Arabs." First, neither book quoted by you says any of those 3 passages. You are quoting things found on fringe propaganda sites. I will add that Begin WAS a terrorist but he only killed British govt. workers and to be honest, that does not exactly qualify as terrorism to alot of folks (including me). If Arabs only aimed for soldiers and MKs I would not fight them half as hard.
Fact is, if it were all true, all Arabs would be gone and we now have more than 2 million who are proud to be Israelis (one is a squadmate). They live and function entirely as Israelis (with some exceptions of course, just as some Jewish Israeis are the exception as well). SOME Arabs were scared off. It continued up until 53. The vast majority however , if scared, were scared by their own propaganda.
Warren: Saying it would be better if Hitler killed all Jews is atrocious and is emblematic of this site. I notice that all the people who have no problem calling me all manner of names, said not a word to that vile and racist statement. Good for you, be proud of yourselves because silence equals complicty.
Perhaps Lock and Light meant to adress it with the Crusader comment but I cannot discern the nuance (my English is limited in this sense). If you meant to to do so, please forgive me for including you with all the other hypocrites on this site.
Panda, I am sorry as well. I did not take time to scroll and see. I am glad that soem did manage to come out against it. What horrid people exist in this world.
And then 20 (estimation) posts with expletives back and forth and not a bit of fact. Typical but at least Panda and Lock made out alright. Gives me a bit of faith in this site.
And then 20 (estimation) posts with expletives back and forth and not a bit of fact. Typical but at least Panda and Lock made out alright. Gives me a bit of faith in this site.
Gmart
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Ad hominem and not worthy of you!
Hamas indeed has talked about hudna before, but by that rationale you need not listen to them to any degree. I remember them telling the BBC that they were prepared to accept Israel, and to dismiss that was just convenient politics. Israel seems to have no interest in peace with the Palestinians, and seem to be uninterested in both the 1 and 2 state solution. Thus it is fair to say that they are not interested in peace.
Israelis are discriminating against another religion, and for you to claim secularity is just disingenuous. It is obvious to those outside Israel that they are only interested in the Jewish, and that the secularity is in name only.
These links nail the case anyway. The Israelis seem to be working towards the extermination of the Palestinians.
GMarthews: You denigrate my spelling, I respond by illustrating that I am communicating with you in YOUR language, not mine and you call it ad hom? Interesting perception, not to mention your having ignored your ad hom to begin the whole affair.
"Need not listen to HAMAS because they talked about Hudna before." Correct, you should not listen to them. See, there is a little thing called "DISEMBLANCE." Arabs are masters of this and "Palestinians" are the creme de la creme. the idea is to float positive sounding soundbites while leaving no room for doubt with contradictory actions AND OFFICIAL communications.
Only one person speaks for HAMAS unequivocally, Mesha'al. Noone else, not even Haniyeh has the right to say anything in the name of the organisation.
"Told BBC they would accept Israel." Yes, one person did say that (not an official though) but then it mean nothing when they were pressed, did it? I repsect HAMAS for one thing, unlike the PA ,etc. they do not mince words. They do not even pretend it is about Gaza and "WB." They state flat out their intentions.
Have you even read their Charter? Before committing further, kindly read it. It will spare some embarrassment.
"Israel does not seem interested in a 2 State Solution." ISrael committed to it back in 1919, please research. In fact, we reiterate it every couple of years, most recently unofficially but in the press just this month. Officially, kindly refer to Oslo, Sharm, Amman, etc., etc.
"Israel does not seem interested in a 1 State Solution." Nope, of course not but then neither are the "Palestinians," most of all HAMAS. Read the Charter.
Tell me, do you support genocide? You REALLY need to read that Charter.
"Israel is discriminating against other elgions." How so? Please provide a single example.
It is funny though, what of the fact that 7 Arab nations prohibit a single Jew from even stepping foot in their nation, let alone worshipping there and this does not seem to even register with you. You imagine things about a nation ranked number one in all of W. Asia for Human and Civil Rights year after year.
I will try to watch your videos in a while, please read the Charter. You have the nerve to talk of genocide and speak of HAMAS wanting peace? I will try to not be dismissive of you as you do make your point in a civil manner but you really do need to research your position a whole lot more.
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"Need not listen to HAMAS because they talked about Hudna before." Correct, you should not listen to them. See, there is a little thing called "DISEMBLANCE." Arabs are masters of this and "Palestinians" are the creme de la creme. the idea is to float positive sounding soundbites while leaving no room for doubt with contradictory actions AND OFFICIAL communications.
Only one person speaks for HAMAS unequivocally, Mesha'al. Noone else, not even Haniyeh has the right to say anything in the name of the organisation.
"Told BBC they would accept Israel." Yes, one person did say that (not an official though) but then it mean nothing when they were pressed, did it? I repsect HAMAS for one thing, unlike the PA ,etc. they do not mince words. They do not even pretend it is about Gaza and "WB." They state flat out their intentions.
Have you even read their Charter? Before committing further, kindly read it. It will spare some embarrassment.
"Israel does not seem interested in a 2 State Solution." ISrael committed to it back in 1919, please research. In fact, we reiterate it every couple of years, most recently unofficially but in the press just this month. Officially, kindly refer to Oslo, Sharm, Amman, etc., etc.
"Israel does not seem interested in a 1 State Solution." Nope, of course not but then neither are the "Palestinians," most of all HAMAS. Read the Charter.
Tell me, do you support genocide? You REALLY need to read that Charter.
"Israel is discriminating against other elgions." How so? Please provide a single example.
It is funny though, what of the fact that 7 Arab nations prohibit a single Jew from even stepping foot in their nation, let alone worshipping there and this does not seem to even register with you. You imagine things about a nation ranked number one in all of W. Asia for Human and Civil Rights year after year.
I will try to watch your videos in a while, please read the Charter. You have the nerve to talk of genocide and speak of HAMAS wanting peace? I will try to not be dismissive of you as you do make your point in a civil manner but you really do need to research your position a whole lot more.
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G: Well, I went to the first two and I need to ask you, do you even know what you post? those are from racist sites. If that is your angle I will not be bothered. I assume you have no idea though and will let you talk about it. Try and provide some mainstream and/or objective (not pro-Iraeli of course) links because I am alkready well aware of that garbage you linked to.
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
You're patronising as well as mendacious. I already know about Rashid Ali Gaylani. In fact, I'm willing to bet that I know more about Iraqi history than you do.
I also know of the Zionist underground and its intrigues. I also know that the British Army stayed in its barracks during the Farhud and I also know that the majority of ordinary Iraqis protected and defended their Jewish neighbours from attacks. I can also tell you that Rashid Ali was heavily influenced by Germany and that this was a reaction to the continued presence of the British in the country.
I will not be lectured to by a proven liar. If anyone needs to "study", it's you. Get your head out of your arse and stop disseminating the same tired lies and propaganda.
What's the matter? Does the truth hurt?
Gmart
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rachamim18 said:
It WAS Mesha'al, as I told you at the time. (see here)
Your continual reluctance to re-read your posts is hardly down to English being your xth language, it is just laziness. Attacking my arabic spelling was just ad hominem. Still let us not get distracted
Those links are on youtube, and they all seem very worthy. If you feel able to dismiss youtube as not worthy of quote, then this again throws up the fact that you don't seem keen to accept as valid any source that disagrees with you.
Those links were fine, indeed there were many officials of the USA government and also a very interesting docu based on the testemony of two Israelis soldiers.
I didn't think you would suddenly become reasonable, I just thought I would post some links in case anyone wanted some personal accounts.
The Israelis are abusing the Palestinians, and if the intelligensia such as yourself is persuading itself that everything is fine and that they deserve it, then that makes you the same as the Nazis. Indeed, in one of the first links a government official pointed out that the excuses used by the Israelis were dismissed as not valid from the Nazis at Nuremberg.
You are becoming complicit thru your refusal to see what is happening, and it makes me so sad to see the Israelis do the same thing to the Palestinians as they had happen to them in WW2.
rachamim18 said:
I am also unsure of what you are exactly saying here, but if you're asking if I was disgusted with warren's posting then the answer is, yes.
Nino: I did not realise that issues here were pissing contests. Do you know more about Iraqi History than me? Possible for sure, just unlikely (as a Mid-Easterner educated there, as well as having close family from there, not to mention all Jews having originated there although that does not mean anything in terms fo current knowledge). Either way, so what? How does THAT effect THIS paticular issue?
As for most of the rest of your post, again with personal insults. I will ask you again, will you please stop personally insulting me. You do not know me but even if you did it would be highly uncivil, obnoxious .
"Majority of Iraqis did not vicitmise Jews." Ofcourse. In any given situation that will always be the case, as in the majority of Jewish Israelis have no personal involvement in Israeli policy or action. However, facts are that Iraqi Arabs DId victimise and kill their Jewish neighbours. Jews WERE on quota systems for education,etc. The majority of Iraqi Arabs did not agitate for change , did they? The entire system was hostile towards ALL JEWS.
If one man rakes a room with an atuomatic rifle, killing 50, while the other 40 men with him do nothing, of course the majority were innocent in the truest sense. However, what if those 50 sat by idly as their society created that killer?
"Giladi." IF he was truthful, why did even Arab publishers pooh pooh his book? A half century went by before he could find a non-subsidy publisher.
GMarthews: "Mesha'al." Mesha'al never said that. Provide the ORIGINAL source. Mesha'al has REPEATEDLY said (last time just after the IAF airstrike in syria) that HAMAS will never cease armed struggle as long as a single piece of the UNMANDATE lies outside of "Palestinian" control.
Furthermore, you obviously have still not availed yourself to their Charter. AGAIN< it says it clearly. It remains unabridged and unammended. 7 Articles call for the extermination of EVERY JEW ON EARTH. It does not say they wish to destroy Israel (it does, just not in those 7), but rather it wishes to kill Jews, ALL JEWS, worldwide. Explain that with your believe of HAMAS as peaceseekers.
Also explain the no less than 4 Qassams falling on my nation each and every day although we ceded all of Gaza in 2005.
"Re-reading my own posts." What are you talking about? only said it in relation to my misspellings whach you happened to criticse. Ohhhh, you must mean that I do not take time to reddit my posts. Sorry, when I do I usually do not see misspellings since it is usally not relating to a mistype but my lack of knowledge about YOUR Language.
Pretty snide really. I take time and effort to communicate with you in your language and then you criticise my inability in it.
"Links on Youtube." So what? Youtube is the voice of integrity. Pleaseeeee. Anyone can post anything there. Fact is, they are posted though by RACIST GROUPS. Do you belive Jews are inherently evil? That we aim to rule the world? that we are money hungry? If not, stop posting links to groups that do think that and admit it.
You criticse my lack of attention and then fail to even research your own links. I do not want to devolve here into ad homs but please consider your words before directing them to me. I would use the word hypocritical but it is too often taken so negatively. Fact is though, that is the word used to describe a person who criticses a person for doing what they themselves are doing!
"Officials of the US Govt." Um, EX-members and the ones pictured believe the things I mentioned above. David Duke served in the US Govt., are hs words fine as well?
As for most of the rest of your post, again with personal insults. I will ask you again, will you please stop personally insulting me. You do not know me but even if you did it would be highly uncivil, obnoxious .
"Majority of Iraqis did not vicitmise Jews." Ofcourse. In any given situation that will always be the case, as in the majority of Jewish Israelis have no personal involvement in Israeli policy or action. However, facts are that Iraqi Arabs DId victimise and kill their Jewish neighbours. Jews WERE on quota systems for education,etc. The majority of Iraqi Arabs did not agitate for change , did they? The entire system was hostile towards ALL JEWS.
If one man rakes a room with an atuomatic rifle, killing 50, while the other 40 men with him do nothing, of course the majority were innocent in the truest sense. However, what if those 50 sat by idly as their society created that killer?
"Giladi." IF he was truthful, why did even Arab publishers pooh pooh his book? A half century went by before he could find a non-subsidy publisher.
GMarthews: "Mesha'al." Mesha'al never said that. Provide the ORIGINAL source. Mesha'al has REPEATEDLY said (last time just after the IAF airstrike in syria) that HAMAS will never cease armed struggle as long as a single piece of the UNMANDATE lies outside of "Palestinian" control.
Furthermore, you obviously have still not availed yourself to their Charter. AGAIN< it says it clearly. It remains unabridged and unammended. 7 Articles call for the extermination of EVERY JEW ON EARTH. It does not say they wish to destroy Israel (it does, just not in those 7), but rather it wishes to kill Jews, ALL JEWS, worldwide. Explain that with your believe of HAMAS as peaceseekers.
Also explain the no less than 4 Qassams falling on my nation each and every day although we ceded all of Gaza in 2005.
"Re-reading my own posts." What are you talking about? only said it in relation to my misspellings whach you happened to criticse. Ohhhh, you must mean that I do not take time to reddit my posts. Sorry, when I do I usually do not see misspellings since it is usally not relating to a mistype but my lack of knowledge about YOUR Language.
Pretty snide really. I take time and effort to communicate with you in your language and then you criticise my inability in it.
"Links on Youtube." So what? Youtube is the voice of integrity. Pleaseeeee. Anyone can post anything there. Fact is, they are posted though by RACIST GROUPS. Do you belive Jews are inherently evil? That we aim to rule the world? that we are money hungry? If not, stop posting links to groups that do think that and admit it.
You criticse my lack of attention and then fail to even research your own links. I do not want to devolve here into ad homs but please consider your words before directing them to me. I would use the word hypocritical but it is too often taken so negatively. Fact is though, that is the word used to describe a person who criticses a person for doing what they themselves are doing!
"Officials of the US Govt." Um, EX-members and the ones pictured believe the things I mentioned above. David Duke served in the US Govt., are hs words fine as well?
G: "Intelligentsia." Although I have a degree, it as a botanist. I am far from an intellectual. I manufacture fertiliser, mill grain, and broker loads of tropical hardwoods. I am a far cry for that.
Who said anything about anyone deserving anything. I only belive that TERRORISTS deserve death. If they are Jewish, kill them. If they are Arab, do the same. It isnot because of ethnicity (since I am of the same race as an Arab) but of actions. Big difference.
Nazis though thought your geneaology sentenced you to death. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
Again, demonstrate a link between any policy or action on the part of the Israeli Govt., or any of its arms, and those actions and policies of the Nazis. As stated, when we gas an Arab, talk about it. Until then, build your case around facts, not hyperbole.
Please tell us what excuses Israel made that were made at Nuremburg. I saw the video, but it does not mention specifics. It only says what you say, "Israelis act like Nazis." sorry, but that is not good enough. You need to actually prove your point. I can say the moon is made of cheese but until I grill you a sandwich from it, it means nothing.
Lock: That is exactly what I meant.
Who said anything about anyone deserving anything. I only belive that TERRORISTS deserve death. If they are Jewish, kill them. If they are Arab, do the same. It isnot because of ethnicity (since I am of the same race as an Arab) but of actions. Big difference.
Nazis though thought your geneaology sentenced you to death. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
Again, demonstrate a link between any policy or action on the part of the Israeli Govt., or any of its arms, and those actions and policies of the Nazis. As stated, when we gas an Arab, talk about it. Until then, build your case around facts, not hyperbole.
Please tell us what excuses Israel made that were made at Nuremburg. I saw the video, but it does not mention specifics. It only says what you say, "Israelis act like Nazis." sorry, but that is not good enough. You need to actually prove your point. I can say the moon is made of cheese but until I grill you a sandwich from it, it means nothing.
Lock: That is exactly what I meant.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Why do you find it so hard to tell the truth? Why do you, rather than deal honestly with the facts, rely instead on accusations of "insult" and "ad hominem" as a means of evading tricky or awkward points that are put you?
I've heard the Zionist counter-argument to Giladi and it smacks of the usual smear tactics. But smears are something that you are intimately familiar with. You use them a lot on here.
Gmart
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Rachamin
I saw the interview myself at the time, with him.
I also highlighted it to yourself at the time in the thread that I indicated.
Not much wriggle room there for the reasonable man.
It is not snide to complain about you going on about accuracy when you mispell nation as antion five times, but it is really very minor.
Terrorist is in the eye of the beholder Rach, and those links are from real people affected by the regime you continually defend.
i would have more time for you if you would simply:
1) acknowledge that the Israelis invaded. I don't care that they did, but it is distasteful to have you continually deny this obvious fact.
2) acknowledge that the Israelis are systematically attempting to wipe out the Palestinians from their own land, ie the land where they were born.
3) acknowledge that there are many Plaestinians who have every right to be upset with the actions of a minority of Israelis.
4) stop going on as if quoting scripture from history could justify the actions of the Israelis now.
In the links I gave there was a direct quote attributed to the Israelis giving exactly the same defence as the Nazis at Nuremberg. The second link was very clear, just because you feel no need to actually watch, or to give such experts their due respect for their opinions, is because you feel that those without your view are just wrong without actually engaging with them.
Your ability to dismiss all those links from youtube just shows me (prob among others) exactly how much you need to censor what you watch to maintain your narrow beliefs.
I saw the interview myself at the time, with him.
I also highlighted it to yourself at the time in the thread that I indicated.
Not much wriggle room there for the reasonable man.
It is not snide to complain about you going on about accuracy when you mispell nation as antion five times, but it is really very minor.
Terrorist is in the eye of the beholder Rach, and those links are from real people affected by the regime you continually defend.
i would have more time for you if you would simply:
1) acknowledge that the Israelis invaded. I don't care that they did, but it is distasteful to have you continually deny this obvious fact.
2) acknowledge that the Israelis are systematically attempting to wipe out the Palestinians from their own land, ie the land where they were born.
3) acknowledge that there are many Plaestinians who have every right to be upset with the actions of a minority of Israelis.
4) stop going on as if quoting scripture from history could justify the actions of the Israelis now.
In the links I gave there was a direct quote attributed to the Israelis giving exactly the same defence as the Nazis at Nuremberg. The second link was very clear, just because you feel no need to actually watch, or to give such experts their due respect for their opinions, is because you feel that those without your view are just wrong without actually engaging with them.
Your ability to dismiss all those links from youtube just shows me (prob among others) exactly how much you need to censor what you watch to maintain your narrow beliefs.
G: Simply answer this: HAVE YOU EVER EVEN READ THE HAMAS CHARTER, EVEN ONCE? Then let us talk of "wiggle room."
"Terrorist is in the eye of the beholder." Um, no it is not. there you go again assigning new definitions to very old English words as well as foreign symbols. Terrorism is defined as an act of violence aimed at achieving political ends. It is also subject to a narrower definition and this is the one that I use: ANYONE AIMING FOR NON-COMBATANS in relation to the first definition.
Anyone who walks into a pizza cafe and explodes themself while taking a dozen off civilains to Paradise with them is a TERRORIST. So is a person on a day laborer bus who turns their army issued auto rifle on the laboers. It is rather simple really. Ethnicity, religion, and race have nothing to do with it.
As for having more time for me, I have no idea what youmean.
"Israelis invaded." Israel was ratified by the UN. Some Jews, like my family, have lived there since the Bible. That is to say, some 2500 years before the first Arab entred history up in ARABIA. How then did we invade? You still have never answered.
"Israelis are trying to systematically trying to wipe out 'Palestinians..." No, they are not. You still have not provided one iota of proof.
"...from their own land..." It was never Arab land. Again, provide your evidence. You make spurious claims like " 'Palestine' might not have been anation per se but did exist ina small area." Sorry, but that claim makes no sense whatsoever. Please explain it.
Then please tell us just when their nation actually existed, EVER.
"...where they were born." As were many Jews, like my family, and my kids.
"Acknolwedge that there many 'Palestinians' who have a right to be angry with the actions of a minority of Israelis." Sorry, you will have to be a bit mroe spcific here. WHAT ACTIONS? Checkpoints? Curfews?
"Stop quoting from Scripture (paraphrased)." You are really beginning to scare me. What are you talking about? Who quotes Scripture (well alot of Arabs DO but no Israeli official does, notr have I ever)? Your fixation is becoming a bit alarming. You just seem to be repeating the same mantra without a thought as to it making any sense at all. Any time you are challenged you move to another fallacy.
Please, answer questions posed to you and I promise to answer those I can understand, asked by you.
"Quote from Nuremburg." Nope, only a generality incorrectly quoted." Again, provide the quote.
"No need to watch experts." YOUr EXPERTS are Nazis. YOU are REALLY scary. YOU accuse Israelis of Nazi actions, while linking to boanfide neo-Nazis.
Answer this so we can be clear and not wate time with each other:
Do you belive Jews control media?
Banks?
Nations other than Israel?
I already know your outlandish claims that ISrael commits genocide,etc., even though you have never onced proved anything. I would like the answer to those 3 things though, because I will tell you again, you are defending Nazi sites and I do not wate time with true racists/bigots (as opposed to the many here who cloak it in "I just hae Israel, not Jews").
Notice how noone else is coming to your defence? That should tell you all you need to know about your "links."
"Terrorist is in the eye of the beholder." Um, no it is not. there you go again assigning new definitions to very old English words as well as foreign symbols. Terrorism is defined as an act of violence aimed at achieving political ends. It is also subject to a narrower definition and this is the one that I use: ANYONE AIMING FOR NON-COMBATANS in relation to the first definition.
Anyone who walks into a pizza cafe and explodes themself while taking a dozen off civilains to Paradise with them is a TERRORIST. So is a person on a day laborer bus who turns their army issued auto rifle on the laboers. It is rather simple really. Ethnicity, religion, and race have nothing to do with it.
As for having more time for me, I have no idea what youmean.
"Israelis invaded." Israel was ratified by the UN. Some Jews, like my family, have lived there since the Bible. That is to say, some 2500 years before the first Arab entred history up in ARABIA. How then did we invade? You still have never answered.
"Israelis are trying to systematically trying to wipe out 'Palestinians..." No, they are not. You still have not provided one iota of proof.
"...from their own land..." It was never Arab land. Again, provide your evidence. You make spurious claims like " 'Palestine' might not have been anation per se but did exist ina small area." Sorry, but that claim makes no sense whatsoever. Please explain it.
Then please tell us just when their nation actually existed, EVER.
"...where they were born." As were many Jews, like my family, and my kids.
"Acknolwedge that there many 'Palestinians' who have a right to be angry with the actions of a minority of Israelis." Sorry, you will have to be a bit mroe spcific here. WHAT ACTIONS? Checkpoints? Curfews?
"Stop quoting from Scripture (paraphrased)." You are really beginning to scare me. What are you talking about? Who quotes Scripture (well alot of Arabs DO but no Israeli official does, notr have I ever)? Your fixation is becoming a bit alarming. You just seem to be repeating the same mantra without a thought as to it making any sense at all. Any time you are challenged you move to another fallacy.
Please, answer questions posed to you and I promise to answer those I can understand, asked by you.
"Quote from Nuremburg." Nope, only a generality incorrectly quoted." Again, provide the quote.
"No need to watch experts." YOUr EXPERTS are Nazis. YOU are REALLY scary. YOU accuse Israelis of Nazi actions, while linking to boanfide neo-Nazis.
Answer this so we can be clear and not wate time with each other:
Do you belive Jews control media?
Banks?
Nations other than Israel?
I already know your outlandish claims that ISrael commits genocide,etc., even though you have never onced proved anything. I would like the answer to those 3 things though, because I will tell you again, you are defending Nazi sites and I do not wate time with true racists/bigots (as opposed to the many here who cloak it in "I just hae Israel, not Jews").
Notice how noone else is coming to your defence? That should tell you all you need to know about your "links."
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