Trump comes to town, 13th July 2018 - mass protests expected

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by cantsin, Apr 28, 2018.

  1. seeformiles

    seeformiles Lost in the wood

    I won’t deny that that tactic is valid and the most obvious first line of defence but, as he’s used to this and thrives on such attention, it may be better to give him something he’s not expecting i.e. silence and turning your back. It would make a very surreal live coverage of the event. :)
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  2. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    It's not for him though - he doesn't care, whatever happens.
  3. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    I turned up for Bush. I don't see why I shouldn't turn up for Trump. It's one thing arguing with people about why Trump's happened and what the real problems are but I don't think any US president should arrive in this country without some protest.
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  4. seeformiles

    seeformiles Lost in the wood

    True - I just wonder whether more subtle targeted action might be more effective against someone who appears oblivious to conventional protests against him. (& I’m someone who threw eggs at Casper Weinberger back in the day :))
  5. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist slowtime

    he's bone obsessed with numbers, be they mythical bank account figures, crowds for his inauguration, the ratings of which ever soap star he is cunting off on twitter or what have you. So more the merrier, play 'who can collect all the trot/etc literature' and the favourite game for out of towners 'oh shit I don't think I can get back through this crowd quick enough to make my train/bus' game. That last ones a bit shit tbf
  6. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    There still seems to be some lingering feeling among some Americans that British people are smarter and classier than average, I think having massive protests in Britain will be a major embarrassment for Trump at the very least.

    And yeah, there are a lot of other things people could be protesting, but his climate policies alone are going to screw us all, which makes him a very legitimate target for protest anyplace he goes.
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  7. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    i'd rather make his visit as expensive as possible.
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  8. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    I don't think that any protests against him would actually change his view - he's such a dedicated narcissist.

    All we have left is (a) indicating to the government that he's incredibly unpopular and attempts to ally with him would be political death, and (b) showing that to any foreign journalists who care at all. We hate this person who's been invited over; this can't be passed off as a nice diplomatic visit. We need to make sure that nobody can even get a shot of him anywhere outdoors in London without a sign somewhere in the background calling him a cunt.
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2018
  9. yield

    yield zero

    Some of my best friends are liberals.

    Make allies with those who are there, rather than those you wish were there. I'll be going.
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  10. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank We kill the flame

    That hasn't worked for them the last 476,451,306,127 times they've done it tbf.
  11. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank We kill the flame

    Personally I'm more interested in what mischief can be got up to while every copper in the land is down in London protecting the imbecile in chief.
  12. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Never going to happen not in a million years. Utterly deluded to think they will be any more "messy" than the anti-Bush protests. It'll very much be an establishment affair, plenty of wanker politicians giving speeches.

    While I agree with the second sentence I think there are significant differences between the protests when Bush came and how the anti-Trump protests seem to be shaping up.

    First, the Bush protests were part of the anti-war protests which had the potential to feed into something, unfortunately all that promise was pissed up against the wall, but nevertheless at the time there was the idea of something more coming from them. Second, while there was an establishment presence on the Bush protests, you had a very significant proportion of the establishment supporting the war and so the protests were against the powers that be to at least some extent (which feeds back into the fist point).

    I hope I'm wrong but I don't see any anti-Trump protest becoming part of something wider or deeper and I would be amazed if it's not shot through with the establishment. Chock full of Labour and LD politicians, maybe even a few Cons.
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2018
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  13. xenon

    xenon Sweep and cut

    Gestures are performative.
  14. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    at a location nowhere near where Trump is
  15. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    Compensation for wrongful arrest flowed thick and fast after the Bush visit.
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  16. yield

    yield zero

    You'd think RS, but a lot of the people I drink with and their kids aren't making ends meet. Lots of anger in town now.

    Things are febrile. If the weather is good anything is possible.
  17. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    Wouldn't surprise me if there's a reasonable turnout for mainly liberal protests. Remnants of stwc and whatever the remnants of the swp can muster, along with all manner of people who turn out on remainiac demos, reasonable number of anti-sexual violence protesters given that the potus is a rapist, a few younger anarchos, a thin smattering of black blocs. Will/should attract anti-racism protesters too. Demonstrators will be kettled or just not even try to get anywhere near him. Fair number of arrests for sit down protests, but not many for anything more serious.

    Be delighted to be proved wrong, but given what I'm guessing will be the Hilary-ist and remainiac tone of the demonstrators, I'll feel ambiguous about the whole thing.
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  18. patman post

    patman post Interested onlooker Banned

    It’s the President of the USA visiting. The fact it’s Trump who’s currently the laughing stock of the whole world should make no difference — well if we wish to continue with the “special relationship”, that is. Must have been to see Macron being the focus of that accolade by Donald. But surely the UK must be bigger than that...?
  19. xenon

    xenon Sweep and cut

    Not how it works. Respect the office. Pfft
  20. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    A rapey, anti-worker, anti-welfare, racist comes to town. Oh, hang on, I'll get the bunting. :rolleyes:
  21. patman post

    patman post Interested onlooker Banned

    Maybe with bunting he’ll let slip how he got the US economy soaring and how he’s got China to kick some sense into North Korea...
  22. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    Almost all of the areas of economic success are a continuation of previous trends. Others see no progress at all or are going the other way:
    Trump and the US economy in six charts
    Now, about the rapey, anti-worker, anti-welfare, racism...?
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  23. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    But it's not really is it. Security will be monstrous, the official demo will be chock full of crap and the very fact that this will be pulling in all sorts mean that it's highly, highly unlikely that anything will be kicking off.

    That's not to say people shouldn't go but lets be clear-eyed about what these protests will be and what they won't be.
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  24. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    It does though, it's all grist to their political mill.

    They swamp the place with placards, sell papers, chat people up, and generally give the impression to people 'new' to politics that they're the people to join and get involved with. (Although given the recent years I'm not sure they have this any more, at least not as much as previously.)
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  25. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    You won't be able to move for (Fortress) Europe flags at this demo. Lovely.

    Not suggesting people don't go, but don't be thinking this could be some poll tax moment.
  26. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut the Great.

    I've just looked on the SWP website, as well as promoting a whole load of events that happened last week, they have croker this on their 'about us' page.

    Piss-ups in breweries come to mind.
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  27. chilango

    chilango Neither Westminster nor Brussels....

    This book argues that groups like the SWP fail to gain members, and often lose members, when doing this kind of thing.

    I wouldn't worry too much about that side of things.
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  28. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Yeah, in some ways I think it's been less about getting signed up members, and more about them gaining people who associate them with radical left politics. Anyway, I think generally you're right, their ship has sailed in that regard, ironically probably with the space taken by Labour/Momentum.
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  29. Jeff Robinson

    Jeff Robinson Well-Known Member

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  30. chilango

    chilango Neither Westminster nor Brussels....

    Couple of snippets.

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