Truly disturbing

[bluestreak]

i can see your point, but to my mind there are a serious amount of things i'd rather not foot the bill for but do compared to keeping this shitbag in jail. we should indeed share problems, and solutions, and i really can't see that sending him back is a good solution. if somalia had an effective state that could keep track of him, no worries, i just don;t think that in the circumstances it's the right thing to do. we took responsibility for him when we granted him asylum. he betrayed us, so he spends his precious asylum time in jail. where's the problem?

 

[Pete the Greek]

hmm. If I were running things, I'd say he forfitted his right to stay in Britain once convicted and the deportation should have begun there.
That's quite a saving for the state and alot of lawyers fees and paperwork once he comes out.

Let's face it, when he gets out of prison, a disgraceful amount of legal aid is prob going to go his way to help him fight for his stay in the country. And he needs housing and who is going to pay for that? I am sure you appreciate the list of costs doesn't end there.

Yes it's unfair to 'unleash' him on another society, but the UK is too small to take on all the world's problems.

In a similar way, I would argue that the UK seems to be taking a disproportionate amount of responsibility over global warming compared to most countries in the world. We're making all sorts of adjustments, paying all this extra tax while everyone else is laughing! Except perhaps the Swedes and the Kiwis.

But then that's a whole new debate.

 

[Spion]

Trouble is, you haven't yet said what procedure should be adopted for deporting this man. Into whose hands should he go? How will he get there? How will any of it fit with norms of international law?

Saying 'send em back' is all very well for stirring up the mob but doesn't really work as a guideline for the operation of state organisations.

 

[nino_savatte]

However, the UK is actually quite a crowded island

Really? How did you work that out? How many settlements are there on Dartmoor or in the Scottish Highlands? None. Don't talk wet.

 

[nino_savatte]

how simplistic and boring. Hence why I can't be arsed discussing anything with certain members of the left. So a rollie eyes is all yer gonna get.

What analysis. What insight. What shite.

 

[SuburbanCasual]

However, the UK is actually quite a crowded island, without wanting to sound all alarmist and daily mail. 60 million (accounted for) folk, largely packed within urban connurbations, is a problem.

5.5 Million British born people live abroad, 4.5 Million foreign born live in Britain.

 

[Spion]

I always find the 'crowded' argument a bit spurious.

I saw somewhere recently that only 13% of the UK is built on while people's perceptions are that it is somewhere around 50%.

 

[dash]

'Crowded' is a relative term, so this list of countries ranked by population density might be of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density

The UK comes 48th in the list. Many of those above us are small island states. We are ahead of most of Europe. If England were to be considered separately, then it would certainly qualify as pretty densely populated.

I can't really think of any good reason why 'crowded' status is something to aim for. Stabilising our population at replacement level seems more reasonable.

 

[Spion]

Such popn density figures give no real indication of quality of life though do they? Some people choose to live in London - which has a massively higher density than the national average - and others think that another house added to the village is a disaster

 

[dylanredefined]

Should have been off loaded as soon as first sentance is was finished . flown to narobi driven to border as earlier said .As it is probably rot in jail till old enough for deportation to be unjustifible .
I got some sympathy for a asylum seeker who turns to robbery for survial
or even gets involed in fighting ,but, no excuse for his crimes .

 

[dash]

Such popn density figures give no real indication of quality of life though do they? Some people choose to live in London - which has a massively higher density than the national average - and others think that another house added to the village is a disaster

True enough, I just like the outdoors and wouldn't want to see more of it get built over though.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Aha! The Ministry of Defences new weapon - parachute nonces.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What analysis. What insight. What shite.

Yeah, well this is Pete the Greek, isn't it?

 

[Spion]

Yeah, well this is Pete the Greek, isn't it?

What is it with these self-styled scourge-of-the-left types that hang around 'lefty' BBs? Is it that they have right wing politics but don't like hanging out with right wingers? Are they a bit like the straight-acting gays of the political world? Just a thought

You can explain it to me if/when we meet, Pete

 

[ViolentPanda]

What is it with these self-styled scourge-of-the-left types that hang around 'lefty' BBs? Is it that they have right wing politics but don't like hanging out with right wingers? Are they a bit like the straight-acting gays of the political world? Just a thought

I think it's more the pbman factor. Most of the ones we get are so softheaded (hence the mindless repetition of long-dead soundbites about privatisation, "lefties", Wedgie Benn etc) that they'd be ripped apart by halfway-knowledgeable rightwingers. They come here because we tolerate them in the same way that people tolerate old incontinent family pets.

 

[Spion]

I also think there's probably something attractive to certain types of people about playing the eternal critic - and constantly having the status quo or majority public opinion to back you up. It's a handy way for those who haven't really worked out what they think of the world to gain some intellectual self esteem.

 

[nino_savatte]

Yeah, well this is Pete the Greek, isn't it?

Aye and if I had any Greek blood in me I'd be truly upset.