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its is the fucking point the military were only there because of the terrorists and the police couldn't or wouldn't cope.
the army is not a police force its a big blunt object anytime you deploy an army
in these sort of situations innocents die.
they did a hell of a lot better than any other military or police force could have done.
the alternatives would have been worse the UN? the USA or the gardai or the irish army you'd have been looking at 30000 rather 3000 odd :(
 
Lots of wild speculation there. Since you started it, I'd suggest that despite the incompetence of the US Army, there would have been less of a problem, given that half of the population don't see the US as THE WHOLE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

But the point is that the Army is not supposed to be judged against the same standards as a terrorist organisation. It's supposed to be better than that.
 
well 512 squaddies died and they killed 316 people
ira 243 dead for 1700 odd killed
it was an odd conflict in many ways neither side went all out even the shoot to kill policy was far from the normal
 
likesfish said:
no more than the British army killed 175 innocent civilians and are now clearing off after more than 3o years :(
thats true but neglects to mention there was a sustained terrorist campaign at the same time
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About a similar number (192) of East German people trying to get to West Germany were killed by the East German border guards during the Cold War.

I bet people will still make more of a stink of that than the actions of an army supposedly under the control of our wonderful democratic government...
 
but there was no armed conflict in east Germany
how many border guards were killed in the same period so not the same.
squaddies fuck up accidents happen even bloody Sunday was more of a cock up than a deliberate plan.
only the most bonkers republican believes the British army set out that morning with the intention of massacring the inhabitants of the bogside.

the unpalatable fact is the British army achieved its aim more or less
 
It's good news that they are no longer required to be there. Just shows what common sense and diplomacy can achieve, rather than blowing people up.
 
likesfish said:
squaddies fuck up accidents happen even bloody Sunday was more of a cock up than a deliberate plan.
only the most bonkers republican believes the British army set out that morning with the intention of massacring the inhabitants of the bogside.
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General Robert Ford said:
Go on 1 Para, go and get them and good luck.
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Get them what? Cake?
 
BlitzBuggy said:
and the terrorist filth

Bomb, Shoot
to
Kill

It's not over !
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Yet another person changing the subject.

IRA violence does not justify Army violence.

Do you think that people who attack the British Army are automatically Provo lovers? Jesus, it's like arguing with a child. "But he started it."
 
glenquagmire said:
IRA violence does not justify Army violence.

Do you think that people who attack the British Army are automatically Provo lovers? Jesus, it's like arguing with a child. "But he started it."
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The same way that bombing of Palestinian villages by Israeli helicopter gunships doesn't justify blowing oneself up in a bus full of Israeli civilians, something many swappies on here could do well to acknowlege rather than carry on with their chants of "we are all Hezbollah" and "victory to the Intifida". :(
 
likesfish said:
the unpalatable fact is the British army achieved its aim more or less
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Did it's fuck. It's initial aim was to protect Catholics, fucked that up. After that it was stop terrorist (mainly provo) activity, fucked that up. It took the will of the people and politicians to get the terrorists to stop, and it's their work that got the brits out of here, not the Brits themselves.
 
Fullyplumped said:
I agree that the Army was a brutal force, but that is what an army does and I said that earlier. You would expect soldiers to want to get at the enemy and to call them bad names. In the circumstances the Army did extremely well and by and large acquitted itself with honour, as I am sure you would have done if called to serve in NI. The IRA and UVF and all the other hoods did many bloody sundays but were not subject to anything like the same scrutiny. And most of them are now out of jail as a result of the GFA.
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most catholices were not the enemy before the army went their and if it had'nt been for its brutality and murder never would have been
 
nino_savatte said:
Shoot
To
Kill


It's over at last! :cool:
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Did the IRA shoot or bomb to injure you soft pillock.
Something about living by the sword comes to mind.

Sorry to be hard on you but fuck me that's a stupid post.
 
glenquagmire said:
Another one playing "what about the other side".

Jesus.
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All sides did terrible things. Waste of time killing random people. Solves fuck all in the end.
 
glenquagmire said:
Yes.

But that doesn't excuse what the British Army did, which is what this thread was about.
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Oh. I thought it was about the fact that its presence was no longer required in the province. Which is a good thing all round, not an excuse for the same old point scoring, I would have thought.
 
glenquagmire said:
Yes.

But that doesn't excuse what the British Army did, which is what this thread was about.
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Excuses sod all as the terroist groups on both sides have sod all excuses for their acts.
Can't have a pop at one unless you first accept that the other did the same sort of things.

I'm happy to see the troops out and nice to know that the people in the area can live a normal life again without considering the chances of a bomb going off while they are having a pint or a shooting by the army or whoever else.

All a total waste of human lives and a load of misery when it could have been settled round a table if the bunch of childish fuckers had kept their rattles in their prams.
Just goes to show what a bunch of wankers extremists of any type are.
 
derf said:
Excuses sod all as the terroist groups on both sides have sod all excuses for their acts.
Can't have a pop at one unless you first accept that the other did the same sort of things.

I'm happy to see the troops out and nice to know that the people in the area can live a normal life again without considering the chances of a bomb going off while they are having a pint or a shooting by the army or whoever else.
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You are aware of why this started aren't you?
 
butchersapron said:
You are aware of why this started aren't you?
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Was it the catholics were being treated like cunts in the north, something about a post office or a million years ago when queen slapper the first invaded or maybe her dad who was fucked off at the pope cos he couldn't get the clap quick enough.

Fuck me history was ok when these people were alive but really has bog all to do with who we kill today.
 
Right, you're halfway to making some sort of point - have another go.

There was no 'normal' life for millions of people and the state had been structured so that they wouldn't. That was what had been 'settled around a table'.

And glen, guess who sent the troops in. Would that have made you finally leave?
 
derf said:
Excuses sod all as the terroist groups on both sides have sod all excuses for their acts.
Can't have a pop at one unless you first accept that the other did the same sort of things.
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The British army though was a legitimate army, backed by the state. They weren't supposed to kill civillians, sure, you do expect a few to be killed in the crossfire or whatever. But the very fact that they killed 15 more civillians than terrorists just highlights the monumental fuck ups they were over here.

derf said:
I'm happy to see the troops out and nice to know that the people in the area can live a normal life again without considering the chances of a bomb going off while they are having a pint or a shooting by the army or whoever else.
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Again? Discrimination of Catholics and social strife was the reason why the thing started in the first place. There were IRA bombing campaigns in the 50's, life was never rosey here with Catholics and Protestants all holding hands and drinking cups of tea.

derf said:
All a total waste of human lives and a load of misery when it could have been settled round a table if the bunch of childish fuckers had kept their rattles in their prams.
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Well you have to think of the social context, the PIRA was formed to protect Catholics after their homes where being burnt out. Bloody Sunday shifted their focus to attack, mostly on the British Security forces. Then again, it's not as if no one tried for a democratic solution. The Sunnigdale Agreement tried to bring the two sides together in Government but Unionists didn't want the taigs to get a piece of the pie so went on strike and practically shut the country down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunningdale_Agreement
 
The Sunnigdale Agreement tried to bring the two sides together in Government but Unionists didn't want the taigs to get a piece of the pie so went on strike and practically shut the country down.
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There are many who tend to forget this. :(
 
All those people dead so Gerry,Martin and the Rev could park their arses in Gov seats and drive around in Gov cars :rolleyes:
 
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