Troops out now

[ViolentPanda]

spot on.

Intellectually bankrupt left wing morons like Dwyer are impossible to convince, but as long as the sane few tally on, that's the main thing.

Well said, Yoss.

Dwyer "left wing"?

Yeah, and Cherie Blair is better-looking than Kate Moss.

 

[phildwyer]

Dwyer "left wing"?

Yeah, and Cherie Blair is better-looking than Kate Moss.

I'm a lefty trade unionist!

 

[MikeMcc]

At the weekend BLiar was spouting about how hand-over to the Iraqi police had been completed. Yet I've been reading elsewhere that the process hasn't even been effectively started, yet he's already saying that he's going to be reducing troop numbers by the middle of the year! Lying bar-steward

 

[Crispy]

I'm a lefty trade unionist!

And so's my wife.

Those contracts sure are juicy, but I think the planners of this escapade expected much bigger dividends than that. A pliant puppet-state iraq is just what the US needed in the region. Central and with lots of nice empty space to build airbases. It wasn't so much iraq's oil that made it happen (although that played a part) but more the strategic use of iraq to keep a hand in the entire ME oil output.

Of course they won't be getting a nice pliant client state, but one that has to be subjugated by force. Not to matter, they're building the bases anyway. The war in iraq therefore has as its aim the establishment of a permanent projection of US mmilitary force in the region, ready to be used for whatever uses deemed neccesary.

 

[phildwyer]

And so's my wife.

Those contracts sure are juicy, but I think the planners of this escapade expected much bigger dividends than that. A pliant puppet-state iraq is just what the US needed in the region. Central and with lots of nice empty space to build airbases. It wasn't so much iraq's oil that made it happen (although that played a part) but more the strategic use of iraq to keep a hand in the entire ME oil output.

Of course they won't be getting a nice pliant client state, but one that has to be subjugated by force. Not to matter, they're building the bases anyway. The war in iraq therefore has as its aim the establishment of a permanent projection of US mmilitary force in the region, ready to be used for whatever uses deemed neccesary.

And also--most important in my view--the war has eliminated the major Arab threat to Israel.

 

[dylanredefined]

How the fuck was Iraq a threat to israel or anyone else ? The iraq armed forces were badly equipped led badly and had the fighting spirit of a docherty trying to turn down drugs.Vrs the Idf who are well equpped and highly motivated .

 

[FruitandNut]

Seems like going in and stirring up the beehive and then bunking off and leaving the chaos behind smacks a bit of moral and ethical 'lightness'.

'We', actually mainly Bush and Co., have made an already fragile country go 'critical'.

One of the moral rules of interventionist politics is to only act if the outcome is liable to be better than before.

As for sorting things out, well I still feel much as I did at the beginning of 'Iraq2' - that a divided country, with perhaps a later federation of sorts, is the most likely outcome.

 

[Flavour]

we shouldnt be occupyin another country, end of.

 

[nino_savatte]

And also--most important in my view--the war has eliminated the major Arab threat to Israel.

Really? And how was Iraq the "major Arab threat to Israel", when Israel's arsenal of deadly weapons could piss all over those of Iraq? The only folk who believe that guff about Iraq are neo-cons, NuLabour and the gullible fools that believe all the shite they see and hear on the news.

 

[MikeMcc]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/22/opinion/22bull.html

A refreshingly balanced commentry on the UK presence in Southern Iraq. IMO, showing that it was a lack of political will and direction that have most effected the area and showing a couple of the areas that are ill-reported in the UK. Most of the coverage here seem to focus too much on 'supporting our boys' in one hand and shafting them on the other.

Latest non - story in the uk is that 10 soldiers from KOSB are being kicked out for drugs (about 2% of the unit). Quite rightly so, you don't want to trust a dugged up guy with a rifle and 100+ rounds. But if the same situation of a random 100% drugs test was done in any pub in the uK on a friday night or at a uni, what do you think the percentage of those tested would be?

 

[TAE]

There was never a popular uprising against the British presence. True, after the Coldstream Guards stormed a Basra police station in 2005 to free two special operations troops being held captive ...

... the local administration stopped all co-operation with the british.

 

[MikeMcc]

... the local administration stopped all co-operation with the british.

Something they did on a regular basis...

 

[Andy the Don]

... the local administration stopped all co-operation with the british.

Usually after an operation against the local police. In the operation to release the two SF personnel the local police were most annoyed because during the operation a Warrior APC had driven over a line of luxury cars in the compound.

 

[MikeMcc]

The latest time was when 800 troops were used to storm a detention centre, ensure the detainees were safe and capture as many as possible of a rogue police unit, they also demolished the centre for good measure!

 

[likesfish]

a police force that was suspected of murder and mayhem

 

[Tom A]

Yes, get them out. All these bombings and fighting between rival factions is only being exacerbated by our presence here, the Iraqis need to decide what's best for themselves without the "help" of the US/UK.

 

[TAE]

The latest time was when 800 troops were used to storm a detention centre, ensure the detainees were safe and capture as many as possible of a rogue police unit, they also demolished the centre for good measure!

Well, that's what the MOD said.

But did the local authorities cheer and say how glad they were that the british (who can never be procecuted for anything) are there? No, they suspended co-operation, again.

Are the views of local authorities not those of the general population then? Or does the local population agree with the local authorities' views?

 

[dylanredefined]

The govenor is a corrupt shit and the local authority makes the cpa look competent.Some of the police are corrupt and or working to their own agenda
some are trying to do a proper job,and,Some are working as if the rules dont apply to them .

 

[tbaldwin]

Really? And how was Iraq the "major Arab threat to Israel", when Israel's arsenal of deadly weapons could piss all over those of Iraq? The only folk who believe that guff about Iraq are neo-cons, NuLabour and the gullible fools that believe all the shite they see and hear on the news.

What you need is the new "nino filter" it filters out all bad opinions and replaces them with the 100% sure you are lovely and clever package.

This package will help you to feel superior to those ghastly proles reading the gutter press and being too stupid (totally unlike yourself) to form your own opinions....
A lot of people have this kind of filter.....Get it today dont get left out.....

 

[nino_savatte]

What you need is the new "nino filter" it filters out all bad opinions and replaces them with the 100% sure you are lovely and clever package.

This package will help you to feel superior to those ghastly proles reading the gutter press and being too stupid (totally unlike yourself) to form your own opinions....
A lot of people have this kind of filter.....Get it today dont get left out.....

You can't help yourself, can you, Nazi Boy? This post has absolutely no relevance to this thread.

 

[tbaldwin]

You can't help yourself, can you, Nazi Boy? This post has absolutely no relevance to this thread.

Its relevant because people who assume they are a fountain of knowledge on Iraq and other issues just make a bit of a joke of themselves.
The truth is nobody really knew what would happen in Iraq or Afghanistan when the troops went in and nobody really knows what will happen if they pull out.....Of course you can have an educated guess.....But when certain people show such a lack of humility.....Its not too wise too trust them...

A wise man once said " you learn nothing without humility" you are a classic case nino that proves that right...

 

[nino_savatte]

Its relevant because people who assume they are a fountain of knowledge on Iraq and other issues just make a bit of a joke of themselves.
The truth is nobody really knew what would happen in Iraq or Afghanistan when the troops went in and nobody really knows what will happen if they pull out.....Of course you can have an educated guess.....But when certain people show such a lack of humility.....Its not too wise too trust them...

A wise man once said " you learn nothing without humility" you are a classic case nino that proves that right...

It doesn't even scrape in as relevant, numb nuts.

On and it's "fount" or knowledge, not "fountain", you thick fuck.

How does it feel to be almost universally reviled?

 

[paimei01]

An interview with general Wesley Clark.
The reason for war : Weapons of mass destruction ? Terrorists ? Or "I don't know" ?

About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.”

This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20070323&articleId=5166