Tribe (new series)
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mrs quoad said:Ahhh...
If it's any consolation, lambs are 18-foot towers of muscle, grizzle and teeth with scaly hides, and small, glowing, malevolent coals for eyes. They hunt in packs, and eat human babies unless they're shot by foolhardy tribes of lamb huntsmen, who dare the Antarctic elements with nothing more than a blunt spoon for a weapon. After all - they are noble souls who want nothing more than a fair fight to, uh, bring home the bacon (so to speak)
Ever thought about veganism?
*reaches for a pork scratching*
I used to like you.
sparkling
Proper country now
<veering thread away from the Appreciate Mrs Quoad society and back to The Tribe>
I do enjoy The Tribe. That Bruce seems such a good humoured bloke...I'd marry him and wash his socks any day.
What did make me laugh was the tribe who all seemed to be taking the piss out of him all night. He got the bigger dose of eye stuff, two lots of poisened frog treatment and even the stinging nettles was whacked on by some woman who seemed cross with him. You could see the locals all smirking and laughing at him and not necessarily with him. I wonder if they've all watched previous series and thought they really would test him out this time. By the end of the programme they did give him a grudging respect and said they would talk about him in the future...like maybe 'do you remember that stupid white guy with the tv crew...god what we made him do....' 
I do enjoy The Tribe. That Bruce seems such a good humoured bloke...I'd marry him and wash his socks any day.
What did make me laugh was the tribe who all seemed to be taking the piss out of him all night. He got the bigger dose of eye stuff, two lots of poisened frog treatment and even the stinging nettles was whacked on by some woman who seemed cross with him. You could see the locals all smirking and laughing at him and not necessarily with him. I wonder if they've all watched previous series and thought they really would test him out this time. By the end of the programme they did give him a grudging respect and said they would talk about him in the future...like maybe 'do you remember that stupid white guy with the tv crew...god what we made him do....'
souljacker
innit
Fucking ace programme, I reckon.
Its rare these days that a programme has me totally hooked for a whole hour. Great stuff.
I wanna eat some monkey.
Its rare these days that a programme has me totally hooked for a whole hour. Great stuff.
I wanna eat some monkey.
i don't think a programme like this is ever going to be totally free of nagging anxieties about invasiveness or whatever, but Tribe seems to me the best around - they're upfront about their intentions, they don't try and 'native' the tribespeople up for our delectation, Parry seems straightforward. And the guy certainly gets stuck in. It also doesn't shy away from issues - last night's whipping fairly minor compared with issues like female circumcision from the last series..
One of the main advantages, IMO!Dubversion said:
It's certainly interesting stuff.
There's a small part of me that wonders if x bloke doing x with the tribe for - what? A few weeks? Can really make THAT much of an impact / get that much of an idea what they're REALLY about.
Then again - going that in-depth isn't really the point, and they do a bloody good job with the hour they've got.
Also fully agreed with sparkling re: the local humour! Well-intentioned, but very amused AT as well as (occasionally) with
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
That was 
I don't think he got as close to the people in last night's episode as some we've seen in the past, where he's been made honourary son/had people actually crying when he leaves.
However given that they started from the standpoint of having a massive dislike and distrust of camera crews and didn't actually want them there, I think he did a good job of convincing them he was a decent guy.
I remember from the first series it was another South American tribe that he seemed to battle most to get close to. Maybe a cultural thing, or maybe the recent history?
However given that they started from the standpoint of having a massive dislike and distrust of camera crews and didn't actually want them there, I think he did a good job of convincing them he was a decent guy.
I remember from the first series it was another South American tribe that he seemed to battle most to get close to. Maybe a cultural thing, or maybe the recent history?
Louloubelle
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In many non-industrial cultures young men have to prove themselves by suffering an ordeal before they are considered worthy of inclusion into the tribe.
Parry suffered various ordeals but he never really seemed to be a true part of the tribe.
The most telling episode was when he took a hallucinogenic substance to be initiated into the tribe, as they danced around him.
The cameras weren't allowed to film his actual experience but he reported back that the drug had opened him up to feeling a profound sense of closeness with an ex partner and a lot of guilt about something unspecified to do with the relationship.
As someone who's interested in the work of Melanie Klein, it seemed clear to me that the drug facilitated Parry experiencing what Klein would have called "the depressive position", a fleeting state of mind in which we are conscious of the real or imaginary hurt we have done to others that results in the wish to reparate the hurt person / people. According to Klein the depressive position is a state of mind that nobody can tolerate for long before defending against it. One of the aims of Kleinian analysis is to help people to be able to tolerate experiencing the depressive position, as the capacity to bear these painful feelings is proportional to a person's capacity to love.
So to me it was really interesting that Parry should go into a hut thousands of miles away from home and feel profoundly aware of the hurt he had caused to someone important in his past, to the extent that he had a powerful urge to talk to her and to make things better, but I was also interested that the drug didn't facilitate his feeling connected to the tribe at all.
The fact is that Parry's 'tribe' is his loved ones, past and present, here in the UK and that initiation proved it IMO.
I suppose I was left wondering about the expectations of the tribe, because when their young men undertake the same initiation it will have exactly the effect it is supposed to have, to consolidate their emotional bonds and their roles and responsibilities within the tribe.
Parry takes the same drug and feels closer to his tribe, not the tribe that initiated him, but his tribe in the UK.
I respected him more this time round as he obviously develops some bonds with the tribe, as he obviously did before with the other tribes, but he didn't get initiated into the tribe, which personally I think is something that comes with such massive responsibilities that it should not be undertaken lightly.
Parry suffered various ordeals but he never really seemed to be a true part of the tribe.
The most telling episode was when he took a hallucinogenic substance to be initiated into the tribe, as they danced around him.
The cameras weren't allowed to film his actual experience but he reported back that the drug had opened him up to feeling a profound sense of closeness with an ex partner and a lot of guilt about something unspecified to do with the relationship.
As someone who's interested in the work of Melanie Klein, it seemed clear to me that the drug facilitated Parry experiencing what Klein would have called "the depressive position", a fleeting state of mind in which we are conscious of the real or imaginary hurt we have done to others that results in the wish to reparate the hurt person / people. According to Klein the depressive position is a state of mind that nobody can tolerate for long before defending against it. One of the aims of Kleinian analysis is to help people to be able to tolerate experiencing the depressive position, as the capacity to bear these painful feelings is proportional to a person's capacity to love.
So to me it was really interesting that Parry should go into a hut thousands of miles away from home and feel profoundly aware of the hurt he had caused to someone important in his past, to the extent that he had a powerful urge to talk to her and to make things better, but I was also interested that the drug didn't facilitate his feeling connected to the tribe at all.
The fact is that Parry's 'tribe' is his loved ones, past and present, here in the UK and that initiation proved it IMO.
I suppose I was left wondering about the expectations of the tribe, because when their young men undertake the same initiation it will have exactly the effect it is supposed to have, to consolidate their emotional bonds and their roles and responsibilities within the tribe.
Parry takes the same drug and feels closer to his tribe, not the tribe that initiated him, but his tribe in the UK.
I respected him more this time round as he obviously develops some bonds with the tribe, as he obviously did before with the other tribes, but he didn't get initiated into the tribe, which personally I think is something that comes with such massive responsibilities that it should not be undertaken lightly.
Louloubelle
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zenie said:Can you remember the name of it?
Really enjoyed last night's
sorry
could have been aiyahuasca (sp?) but could have been some other one
Was a fascinating programme I'd like to see it again
eta
I don't have time to find it now but I remember reading the blog of a white American tourist who had gone to Nigeria and been initiated into a tribe there as part of a holiday package. He had taken some hallucinogenic drug and endured a terrifying night of hallucinations which were made better when one of the local young women sat next to him and held his hand and comforted him. The nest day he was surprised to discover that the tribe welcomed him as a family member and the girl who had comforted him was regarded his sister. He left after a couple of days and received numerous letters from his 'sister' asking for money to help pay for medicines for sick 'family members'. He wrote in his blog that he ignored these requests and that they eventually stopped.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=bruce+parry+iboga&btnG=Search&meta=zenie said:Can you remember the name of it?
Interesting interview with Bruce Parry here:
http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article2851923.ece
http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article2851923.ece
souljacker
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Melinda said:
And the pregnant woman. She was screeching like a lunatic.
Louloubelle
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Sweaty Betty
Hemo rising!
I love Bruce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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