Tree-sitting in the US?

[Blagsta]

Do you ever wonder why some people have the opinion of you that they do? Nothing to do with what you post, oh no.

 

[Blagsta]

dp

 

[In Bloom]

Do you ever wonder why some people have the opinion of you that they do? Nothing to do with what you post, oh no.

Well clearly it's got everything to do with what I post. And how it relates to the radical liberal consensus on here

 

[Blagsta]

Well clearly it's got everything to do with what I post. And how it relates to the radical liberal consensus on here

It's more to do with the fact that you're constantly antagonistic and come across as if you know better than anyone else. I recognise it well, 'cos it's a tendency I sometimes have too.

 

[In Bloom]

It's more to do with the fact that you're constantly antagonistic and come across as if you know better than anyone else. I recognise it well, 'cos it's a tendency I sometimes have too.

I'm not going to sugarcoat things just to avoid upsetting people who can't take a little criticism. I'm not on here to make friends, I have meatspace for that.

 

[Blagsta]

No one's gonna take you seriously then.

 

[In Bloom]

No one's gonna take you seriously then.

I care.

No, really, I'm absolutely gutted.

 

[Blagsta]

Rather defeats the whole point though doesn't it? If you want to discuss politics, but can only do it in a manner that makes people think you're a prick, then no one is going to engage with you. Which is pretty much what happens here.

 

[In Bloom]

Rather defeats the whole point though doesn't it? If you want to discuss politics, but can only do it in a manner that makes people think you're a prick, then no one is going to engage with you. Which is pretty much what happens here.

The truth of the matter is that no matter how I say it, no matter what my tone is, people on here are always going to take offence at the idea that action is something you should think about and reflect upon critically, I'm not going to apologise for having that viewpoint and I'm not going to waste my time being polite to people who act like nobheads to me.

 

[In Bloom]

In any case, last time I checked, this thread wasn't about me.

 

[Blagsta]

The truth of the matter is that no matter how I say it, no matter what my tone is, people on here are always going to take offence at the idea that action is something you should think about and reflect upon critically, I'm not going to apologise for having that viewpoint and I'm not going to waste my time being polite to people who act like nobheads to me.

See, this is simply not true. It's your perception of the matter, based on the reactions you get to your posting style. As I've said to you before, I broadly agree with your politics, but the way you come across is extremely antagonistic and does you no favours.

 

[Blagsta]

In any case, last time I checked, this thread wasn't about me.

No, but you charged in with an antagonistic post.

So they give the loggers a choice between losing their jobs and risking their lives?

Very generous of them, I must say.

Instead of the aggressive sarcasm, you could have mentioned how Barri et al made links with the loggers and unions to get the loggers onside against the propaganda that was put out against the activists by the logging companies etc. You could have mentioned that activists can act irresponsibly as EF! is a loose dis-organisation, but the more intelligent activists preferred to make the union links. But no, you charged in with your usual "I know better than everyone else" attitude. FWIW, I know quite a bit about EF!, having been fairly active in the DA green movement in the early 90's. So instead of assuming that you know better than everyone else, bear in mind that some people on here may actually be quite well informed on some subjects.

 

[In Bloom]

No, but you charged in with an antagonistic post.



Instead of the aggressive sarcasm, you could have mentioned how Barri et al made links with the loggers and unions to get the loggers onside against the propaganda that was put out against the activists by the logging companies etc. You could have mentioned that activists can act irresponsibly as EF! is a loose dis-organisation, but the more intelligent activists preferred to make the union links. But no, you charged in with your usual "I know better than everyone else" attitude. FWIW, I know quite a bit about EF!, having been fairly active in the DA green movement in the early 90's. So instead of assuming that you know better than everyone else, bear in mind that some people on here may actually be quite well informed on some subjects.

Where did I give the impression that I know any more than I do? I just made one sarcy comment. You're attributing things to me that I haven't actually said.

 

[Blagsta]

Where did I give the impression that I know any more than I do? I just made one sarcy comment. You're attributing things to me that I haven't actually said.

Well you started in with a sarcy comment about making people lose jobs. I then pointed out that actually, some EF! activists have a history of union activism and that the logging companies aren't above spiking trees to discredit EF! They're certainly capable of planting car bombs.

I suggested you find out more about it and you got all defensive - a very common reaction from you. Drop the defensiveness and the aggression and we might be able to have a constructive discussion.

 

[In Bloom]

Well you started in with a sarcy comment about making people lose jobs. I then pointed out that actually, some EF! activists have a history of union activism and that the logging companies aren't above spiking trees to discredit EF! They're certainly capable of planting car bombs.

I didn't question whether or not they would do it, I questioned whether it would be worth their while bothering.

I suggested you find out more about it and you got all defensive

No, you acted like a patronising prick and I responded. Not quite the same thing.

 

[bluestreak]

Are we going to have to do that thing where I point a load of stuff I've been very positive about and even directly advocated and you apologise for putting words in my mouth again? Because it stopped being entertaining a while ago and I'm sick of people making shit up about me just because I've criticised a few stunts.

actually, mr sensitive, i was attempting to head off that same tired argument as you were already criticising tactics done in the name of EF, so i thought i'd point out that these tactics can be used positively by organisations that are run in manners i know you approve of. you're not into stunts, but into communities getting together to organise, which is what is happening in worthing. plus i think doing something like that is very very good practise for any community activist anarcho.

although the debate about the role of stunts in such a protest is one i'd probably be interested in having some time.

or you can just put words into my mouth if you like

 

[Blagsta]

I didn't question whether or not they would do it, I questioned whether it would be worth their while bothering.

Why wouldn't it be? They car bombed Barri

No, you acted like a patronising prick and I responded. Not quite the same thing.

No, I suggested you could find out about it. You then get all defensive.

Some honesty from you would be nice.

 

[In Bloom]

Why wouldn't it be? They car bombed Barri

So, because they car bombed Barri, it would be worth their while spiking trees and claiming EF! did it? Not seeing your logic here, if I'm honest.

 

[Blagsta]

So, because they car bombed Barri, it would be worth their while spiking trees and claiming EF! did it? Not seeing your logic here, if I'm honest.

The logging companies were certainly involved in spreading lies about EF! and in underhand disinformation campaigns in conjunction with the FBI. Read up on it sometime, its all well documented.

 

[In Bloom]

The logging companies were certainly involved in spreading lies about EF! and in underhand disinformation campaigns in conjunction with the FBI. Read up on it sometime, its all well documented.

Spreading lies about them is one thing, framing them (particularly in ways that are harmful to the companies profits) is another.

 

[Blagsta]

Spreading lies about them is one thing, framing them (particularly in ways that are harmful to the companies profits) is another.

Well maybe if you read Barri's book you could make your mind up. Which is all I suggested in the first place.

 

[In Bloom]

Well maybe if you read Barri's book you could make your mind up. Which is all I suggested in the first place.

Do you usually tell everybody who comments on a thread to read a book about something? Or just the ones whose points you don't want to engage directly?

 

[Blagsta]

If someone is debating about something they obviously don't know much about, I sometimes recommend a book, yes.

Maybe if you stopped pretending to know about things that you blatantly don't, this debate would be easier.