Travelling from the UK to the USA with a criminal record

Discussion in 'New York/US' started by slish66, Apr 26, 2006.

  1. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    I've only once had anything other than a gruff and huff entry to the US. The first time at JFK I honestly thought they'd ask me to step this way sir.
     
  2. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    Trickiest part for me is having to tell them who I work for (well known US media company) while at the same time downplaying it to the point of being short to not make it a conversation piece.
     
  3. existentialist

    existentialist Apprentice bachelor

    More to the point, chat is a good way of distracting people from being on their guard - a nice bit of disarming chat is all it needs to lower the defences enough to give something away.

    These guys aren't there to make nice to tourists, so if there's a reason for having a little bit of chat, it's not human kindness or PR. Or, at the very least, anyone posting on this thread would do well to assume it isn't...
     
  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    they may indulge in some small talk if they're bored and the computer's slow
     
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  5. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

    I flew back into the UK last month - for the fifth time in four weeks due to work. The border guard was being nice and friendly asking me why I'd gotten rid of the goatie beard.

    All of a sudden he went serious,looked me in the eye and quickly asked me my date of birth. I answered immediately and he smiled then let me through. He was definitely checking me out though :eek:

    Keep the chat to a minimum I reckon.
     
  6. pesh

    pesh Well-Known Member

    totally keep the chat to a minimum, all the innocent small talk they will try to engage you in is designed to trip you up.
    genuine lol at the 'lets be nice to them and they'll be lulled into a false sense of security and let us in' chat here.
    just fucking no.
     
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  7. keybored

    keybored #NeverUseTheInternetAgain

    Two words should suffice.

     
  8. Charlie Manson

    Charlie Manson New Member

    I'd have refused you entry just because you'd had a goatie in the first place.
     
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  9. CANTONA

    CANTONA New Member

    Hello all.

    Huge thread and lots of good info but forgive me for not going through all 67 pages. I need some advice if possible?

    I have a drink driving conviction from 2012 which resulted in community service. Since then, I travelled to the middle east and also the states in 2013. I am due to go back to America this month but have been denied travel via ESTA even after clicking no to everything (off the back of advice and experience).

    I am now going to go to the Embassy for a visa interview-as it's an old conviction and a minor one, shall I keep it to myself? I am an upstanding member of the community and this is my only offence and just want to get the visa approved.I'm struggling to work out why it would have been denied.

    Is honesty the best policy or not?

    Any help would be great!
     
  10. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Since you clicked no on the esta best keep your previous to yourself, as lying on the esta is pretty much an automatic no for the next 10 years.
     
  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    not sure you can, in the eyes of the law, be both an upstanding citizen and a convicted drunk driver simultaneously.
     
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  12. CANTONA

    CANTONA New Member

    Thanks for such a quick reply.

    Do you think there would be any way they could see any previous convictions? Even if not disclosed?

    Also, if you or anyone would care to hazard a guess-why do you think it was denied?
     
  13. CANTONA

    CANTONA New Member

    times and people change
     
  14. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    There's seems to be some disagreement on what exactly the US embassy can get hold of in terms of convictions.

    As for why it was denied, difficult to judge. Do you have a Arabic sounding name?
     
  15. CANTONA

    CANTONA New Member

    I travelled to the states on an esta after the conviction so not sure why there would be an issue now.

    No, not at all. Very british
     
  16. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    There was that incident at Palace of course.
     
  17. existentialist

    existentialist Apprentice bachelor

    I have a feeling there's a thing whereby the embassy can ask YOU to produce evidence of your criminal record. It's somewhere in the last 67 pages of the thread. If that's the case, you may have shot yourself in the foot...
     
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  18. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Huh. I've honestly no idea then. Good luck either way.
     
  19. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Surely all has been forgiven?
     
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  20. CANTONA

    CANTONA New Member

    How would I have shot myself in the foot? Just to clarify
     
  21. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    If they ask for your criminal record and it has your conviction on it, and you've previously declared you have none...
     
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  22. Mrs Miggins

    Mrs Miggins There's been a slight cheese accident

    Have you been to the middle east a lot CANTONA? Could it be that that is making them deny the ESTA?

    I know at least 1 person who has 2 passports (which is perfectly legal) because they travel to the ME and the US a lot and they use one for ME travel and the other for US travel so that they don't have ME visas on the passport they use for the US and vice versa. It can cause problems both ways apparently.
     
  23. Argonia

    Argonia Happy go licky

    Lovely to see Eric Cantona at the boards.
     
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  24. existentialist

    existentialist Apprentice bachelor

    You made a statement on your ESTA that you had no relevant criminal convictions. That was completely in line with the advice that generally gets given here, but in your case you're now in a bit of a bind - you can't really do anything but reiterate your claim not to have any convictions, but there's a risk that they may find out if you attend at the Embassy...if it turns out they want, or are able to ask you to provide, your criminal record.

    Probably one of those cases where it might be a very good idea to get some slightly more formal legal advice on what your best options are...
     
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  25. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    Just go there and say nothing. Seriously. Don’t waste time on lawyers. If they have managed to dig up some old conviction for what is a relatively minor offence then it will have been a first in the entirety of this thread to my knowledge.

    And report back obvs.
     
  26. CANTONA

    CANTONA New Member

    Thank you all for the advice
     
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  27. existentialist

    existentialist Apprentice bachelor

    Good luck!
     
  28. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    I reckon its because you're back n forth to the ME, or you clicked yes on something without realising.

    If by some miracle they have found out about your DD conviction tell them, sorry you didn't think it fell under moral terpitude.
     
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  29. Mrs Miggins

    Mrs Miggins There's been a slight cheese accident

    Sadly, the phrase "moral turpitude" is no longer on the form which is a shame as I find delightfully archaic. They realised that nobody knows what it means.
     
  30. Mrs Miggins

    Mrs Miggins There's been a slight cheese accident

    Yes good luck and please let us know how you get on - if you can. It's good to have the thread enriched with more experiences. Hopefully positive!
     
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