Travelling from the UK to the USA with a criminal record

Discussion in 'New York/US' started by slish66, Apr 26, 2006.

  1. wiskey

    wiskey Albatross Admirer

  2. Lucy black

    Lucy black New Member

    We are travelling to Orlando in April and my friend who is coming with us has a criminal record. In 2010 he was involved in a disturbance , police arrived, one of them was shoved while arrests were being made .. Long story short he was charged with police assault
    He did not go to jail nor did he get community service etc. He was given a £100 fine and sent on his way.

    My first question is, assault comes under mora turpitude does this include police assault??

    I have already filled in the esta and clicked NO to the question about someone being seriously harmed - because nobody was!

    I am now panicking that this does not come under moral turpitude and we have filled the form in wrong!

    So if I've filled the form in wrong and should have infact clicked on YES, what do I now do??

    my main worry is that this is somehow checked and when we get to the airport he will be refused entry.
    When you give your passport or finger print, does any information come up??

    I'm worried sick and don't know what to do.
    If he was to be refused entry I would be stuck in America alone with three young children.

    Panicking now
  3. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    As long as you've not admitted to anything you'll be fine, and the same goes for your friend.
  4. Lucy black

    Lucy black New Member

    I don't have anything to admit to - I'm a good girl lol

    With regards to him we were unsure if we have filled the form out incorrectly

    The question is so wide spread it can be interpreted in many different ways. Their idea of serious may be different to someone else's

    Thankyou for your reply
  5. harpo

    harpo Listening to Radio Jackie

    What TruXta says. That is the conclusion of this long thread, with lots of examples. Don't worry.
  6. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Never admit to any wrongdoing.
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  7. Lucy black

    Lucy black New Member

    Thanks for the advice

    I'm sure it will be fine it's just the worry leading up to it , and yes i know it's his own fault for committing a crime in the first place
  8. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    As long as neither of you are Muslim, you'lol be fine
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  9. Lucy black

    Lucy black New Member

    So for people who do get stopped over there by border control or whoever , this isn't because they see their criminal record or details when they scan their passport or finger print??
  10. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    No, it's profiling based on... Fuck knows.
  11. Lucy black

    Lucy black New Member

    Haha truxta I like your way with words

    What does 'it's profiling' mean?
  12. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    They target certain visitors for extra checks using a set of secret but official criteria that vary from place to place and over time. If you're not white, middle class looking etc you'll be more likely to be asked more questions or taken into a holding place for more thorough questioning. If you have travelled certain places you might again be more likely to be checked out. Etc etc

    In other words they have certain profiles of people they want to check out more closely.
  13. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    I was given the third degree because I had 'Arabic' visas in my passport

    (They were Tokyo Narita)
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  14. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    I have a good few of those and never had any issues getting in, it was when I was leaving I always got called for "random" checks :rolleyes:
  15. Lucy black

    Lucy black New Member

    Oh okay well we are just two adults and three kids going to Disney world so hopefully we don't fall in to any random Checks .. And worst case if we do, we will tell them he answered no to the question as although the charge is on record nobody was 'severely' harmed
  16. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    No, no. Nonononono. They will not have his criminal record to hand. Do not answer yes to any questions that might incriminate yourselves.
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  17. Lucy black

    Lucy black New Member

    Oh I mean if he was found out somehow ans asked why did you answer no on the form lol
    Initially we will be going to the desk and saying not a word!
  18. it is always acceptable to lie to US immigration. never admit anything ever.there is no leeway with them, it is black and white.
  19. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    I was also asked if it was my first visit to the US when I had a residence visa and 4 pages of entry and exit stamps. I *really* hate their immigration.
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  20. Lucy black

    Lucy black New Member

    So can the us not see any info from the uk at all? Records, medical, travel details - Just out of curiosity
  21. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    They will have no record at all of his conviction, but you will be questioned as everyone gets asked something while they take your prints and check your papers, so try and forget about his conviction as if you are nervous they may well pick up on it.

    You should have nothing to worry about, be excited its just a family holiday.
  22. Lucy black

    Lucy black New Member

    Thankyou 1%er this site has put my mind at rest .. For now lol
  23. Lucy black

    Lucy black New Member

    Also - last question I promise

    When we done the esta forms his was done first as a single one
    I then done mine and the kids a couple of weeks later

    Does this matter??
    Will this more likely be looked into if they think he's a single traveller
  24. Fez909

    Fez909 toilet expert

    The key thing to remember is that they can't look into it, that's why you need to say no to everything.

    If you even hint at any wrongdoing, they can refuse you entry. If you say no, they have no way of checking, unless it was a high profile case in the papers etc. And they're not about to start googling passengers names in case they have an undeclared crime that was high profile enough to be reported on.

    Say no, answer all their questions, and have a great holiday :)
  25. Lucy black

    Lucy black New Member

    Thankyou for your advice
  26. Lucy black

    Lucy black New Member

    Thankyou very much .. In assuming it will be generic questions they ask?
  27. Fez909

    Fez909 toilet expert

    Yep, why you here? Are you planning to work, etc?

    Nothing to worry about at all. :)
  28. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    I now have to enter with two passports because my B-1 visitor/business visa is in my old passport (which I replaced my L1 with from when I lived there).

    I don't technically need one. I could get an ESTA, but with a visa, I don't need to get an ESTA, and lets me stay longer (6 Months), and it's valid for 10 years which means I don't have to replace every two years. A lot of UK business travellers have one for reasons of going in and out without hassle. I've used it many times. No issues. Although my last trip (post-Trump) invited a bizarre conversation with the border agent.

    Also, I'm quite well versed with US border agents. I've never had any issues. Except this one guy...

    'why do you have a visa?'
    'because I travel in and out of the US a lot on business'
    'but you don't need one'
    'are you staying in the US long'
    'no I'm here for a week'
    'so why do you need a visa'
    'well I used to live and work here. I had an L1 visa. Now I don't, but I still come here a lot on business, so I replaced it with B1 Business/Visitor visa' (for reasons above)
    'but you don't need one'
    (ffs) 'ok....well I have one, so..??'
    'so do you intend to stay here a long time'
    'no I'm here for a week' (like I just said)
    *silence* *confusion*
    'but you don't need a visa'
    (uhhhh...seriously what the fuck...trying not to rise to it) 'I don't know what you want me to say, is it a problem?'
    *more silence...stamps passport...hands passport back*

  29. Kate jackson

    Kate jackson New Member

    Last edited: Mar 7, 2017
  30. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    A: no
    B: no
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