cyberfairy
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I was told that the 'No Travellers' in pubs generally referred to travelling football fans rather than travellers
Traveller Rights - anyone know how I can get involved?
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In relation to that specific sign, why not complain to the local authority (re-the premises licence) and the CRE (or whatever it is called this week), as it could be construed as an offence under the Race Relations legislation and should certainly be considered inappropriate for a licensed premises.winterinmoscow said:
subversplat
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Oh those oh-so-handy ambiguous signs. Nicely unprovable under various laws with a decent solicitor.cyberfairy said:I was told that the 'No Travellers' in pubs generally referred to travelling football fans rather than travellers
"No Blacks" actually means "No All Blacks", seeing as it's the rugby season.
I think we both know what it really means
Ground Elder
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In Commission for Racial Equality v Dutton the Court of Appeal concluded that a No Traveller sign in a pub was an example of indirect discrimination.
The Race Relations Act 1976 makes it unlawful to publish, or be responsible for publishing, an advertisement that indicates, or may be taken to indicate, an intention to discriminate unlawfully. The RRA 1976 applies to all forms of advertising, including internal circulars or newsletters announcing staff vacancies, and displays on notice boards or shop windows. This provision applies to "No Traveller" signs. Only the EHRC (formerly the CRE) has the power to bring legal action.
The practice is to ask the respondent to remove the sign and to seek formal agreement that the act will not be repeated. Where necessary proceedings may be brought under the RRA 1976
The Race Relations Act 1976 makes it unlawful to publish, or be responsible for publishing, an advertisement that indicates, or may be taken to indicate, an intention to discriminate unlawfully. The RRA 1976 applies to all forms of advertising, including internal circulars or newsletters announcing staff vacancies, and displays on notice boards or shop windows. This provision applies to "No Traveller" signs. Only the EHRC (formerly the CRE) has the power to bring legal action.
The practice is to ask the respondent to remove the sign and to seek formal agreement that the act will not be repeated. Where necessary proceedings may be brought under the RRA 1976
Thanks for the case law - I thought that was the current sitation. The reason I said "could" was that I was aware of the legal debate over the issue (esp. re- "travellers" as opposed to "gipsys") but wasn't 100% sure of where it had ended up.Ground Elder said:
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stretchy18
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If I owned a pub I wouldn't let, a bunch of lawless, thieving, punchy pikies in
That must make me a racist, no argument from me on that then
No need to volunteer to help them, the police/social services/etc all tip toe and pussy foot round them
That must make me a racist, no argument from me on that then
No need to volunteer to help them, the police/social services/etc all tip toe and pussy foot round them
two sheds said:
A hell of a lot of pubs do bar all bikers, no point in making an issue of it. The point being we would rather go where we are welcome. We police ourselves when out in groups, anyone causing hassle will get far more grief than the pub licencee will ever given them.
Interesting, thanks.Ground Elder said:
What issue. It is perfectly legal to discriminate against bikers, fat blokes, ginger haired people (though this may be caught by indirect discrimination against some racial groups such as the Irish ...chymaera said:
). It's only illegal to discriminate on the basis of gender, race, disability, religion or sexuality to a variety of degrees.detective-boy said:What issue. It is perfectly legal to discriminate against bikers, fat blokes, ginger haired people (though this may be caught by indirect discrimination against some racial groups such as the Irish ...
Depends who people are calling travellers. I doubt the one's we have in this locality are from a particular race.
subversplat
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Years of stigmatisation and isolation can do that to people.chymaera said:
subversplat
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Doesn't matter - the CRE have decided that "Travellers" are a valid ethic group and are not to be discriminated against as a whole. So you can't do it.chymaera said:
subversplat
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Six of one and half a dozen of the other here I think. I was getting warned away from "The Pikeys" as a completly clueless pre-teen. Generations of conflict (if you can even call it that) has entrenched both societies in a holechymaera said:
Only certain groups of travellers, to be fair, according to the link. We can still all ban the Caravan Club with impunity ...subversplat said:
Ground Elder
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Irish Travellers are a recognised ethnic group in England and Wales
(O'Leary and others v Allied Domiecq and others)
(O'Leary and others v Allied Domiecq and others)
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