Discussion in 'travel and world' started by punkyfish, Jan 11, 2018.
You on drugs? Homosexual acts are illegal in India.
You've lost with the India thing. I've told you I deplore it. But they don't torture people to death publicly BY LAW. Neither do they judicially execute children.
You stick up for those lovely Iranians though. Nice food, innit?
His next holiday is to the glorious sunshine of Saudi Arabia.
Top grub there too.
That's true, they just look the other way when it happens.
I don't rate the food in the Gulf much.
You've lost mate. Stop fucking digging.
Punishable by death? Or is the Indian Supreme Court on the very verge of abolishing that unenforced old legislation (a relic of the Raj) and legalising same-sex marriage?
Stop talking shit to try and prove some bullshit point.
Fuck off. Stop being a hypocrite.
See the sights of Iran:
Spoiler: Innovative Iranian use of a crane and an RSJ here
A little place round the corner does a cracking shashlik though.
He's not fooling anyone.
Without wishing to derail the argument, I went to Iran some years ago and didn't go as part of a group.
Had to go through an agency to get the visa and they just sorted it all out
I'd quite like to go to Iran, i'm interested in the history, culture and achitecture of the place, the food, the opportunities for walking, climbing and skiing that its fantastic landscape provides, and i'd quite like to walk from the Caucuses, through Iran and Afghanistan to western China (quite a long walk..), but i'm afraid that the current governments prediliction for imprisoning UK citizens - for years on end if neccessary - on trumped up charges in order to squeeze diplomatic and economic juice out of the UK government kind of puts Iran on the 'tempting, but not that tempting' pile..
there, simply, are lots of other no-less-interesting places to spend my ill gotten gains without a greater than neccessary chance of ending up chained to a wall for the next decade.
^ you forgot to mention getting missiled by trump
On the reasons for travel bit of the visa application you put spying and the authorities actually arrange accommodation for your stay
My Aunt did this solo in the 70s and had all her rolls of taken photos confiscated by the Chinese border guards
Wow, that must have been an interesting walk!
Shame about her photos.
Does visiting a country imply agreement with all of its current government's policies? Because I've been to lots of places whose regimes I didn't like.
I live in one of those places
Yeah, but Kettering is one place I wouldn't visit!
According to Spy and Bahnhof, yes...
It's a tense time in Iran right now perhaps as always. Might be better to wait a year. Don't go wandering around the borders, that's asking for trouble.
I lived four years in China and devoted about eight years of my life to learning their language and culture. Are you suggesting that I'm somehow complicit in the Chinese government's disgusting human rights record?
ETA: just to clarify further, the first year I was there my University in the UK paid a Chinese state owned university to educate me and I paid rent to live on that campus and for most of the other three years I lived there I worked for a Chinese state school.
Yes. Of course you are. To what degree is arguable. China is in my top 5 places not to spend my tourist money. Sometimes family commitments such as yours mean we have to travel to these places. I live in the UK so can't do much about that and there are people on here who have a travel boycott to the USA.
We all have our limits as to what we'll financially contribute to in life and tax on tourist bucks is a pretty direct contribution to the governments of the countries we visit. I'm sure I'm guilty of hypocrisy somewhere too, but I draw the line at state endorsed blindings, executions of children, amputations, stonings of women, and mass public hangings of homosexuals from cranes.
Some people will overlook all that for a nice bit of grub and some interesting architecture. Hey ho.
In law the situation in India looks rosy, it's just shit in reality.
That is a misrepresentation the grub is far from top. The locals have a good sense of humour, though.
You're more complicit in the Chinese state-capital complex by consuming the many products that make it to the West (given the nature of the sort of companies who work for export or multinationals) than you would be coming here and spending money in family restaurants and hostels.
That’s nonsense of course because you have no idea what I consume but you have a small point. Loads of people on these boards boycot Israeli goods. My father, and then me, refused to knowingly buy South African products back in the day.
Tourism to countries whose politics you strongly disagree with is absolutely senseless.
I don't have to know what you consume to guess that well over half will contain products of the worst state-backed corporations or the real degraders of the environment, we've outsourced so much of it here.
Anyway, larger point, which I think holds true for Iran as well, is that barring a boycott called for by local people you really aren't more complicit as a traveller than by just existing under the current global order - we're all interacting with all sorts of regimes and agencies whether we like it or not - and chances are if you travel outside big resorts etc you'll be interacting directly with the people. Everyone I know who's been to Iran says they're mostly delighted to meet tourists and I don't think the regime uses visitor figures as part of its legitimation.
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