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Transport House Hunger and Thirst strike - Gordon McNeill close to losing consciousne

The TGWU site has produced a response to McNeil's press release on the 18th June. Interestingly they have also attached a number of letters from the briefs of the Hunger Strikers. Scroll to the bottom of the link.

One of the letters has had a few paragraphs of information blanked out. I assume this is for 'legally sensetive' reasons.

Have the hunger strikers or the SP responded to this yet?
 
I'm not sure if they will respond to this particular press release, given that it seems to be the same old shit from the bureaucrats with no new information / allegations.
Of course they won't respond to this press release. Hopefully, other T&G-Unite members will look at the release and make a judgement as to whether the three plaintiffs are justified in their campaign or not. Is it the responsibility of the union to pay a million pounds compensation to these men. If they are, then why not every single worker who has lost his job; maybe I should be pushing my Remploy Comrades to tap the T&G-Unite up for a few score grand.
 
Nigel. First time I have seen the legal correspondence from the strikers to the Union. Any comment?

There's nothing there that wasn't in the public domain already as far as I can see. What precisely do you want me to comment about?

Urbanblues said:
Is it the responsibility of the union to pay a million pounds compensation to these men. If they are, then why not every single worker who has lost his job; maybe I should be pushing my Remploy Comrades to tap the T&G-Unite up for a few score grand.

I think that you are perhaps somewhat confused here. The problem is not that these workers lost their jobs. The problem is that the union bureaucracy colluded with their employers in a way that got them sacked. In particular they repudiated a perfectly legal strike ballot and told the employers that they had done so. This was a grotesque action and the workers concerned are certainly entitled to be compensated for it - and without having to sign a gagging order, preventing them from talking about the union bureaucracy's behaviour.

As for the amount, the worker's concerned have always made it clear that they are open to any reasonable offer from the union.
 
£1million each offer.Its in the correspondence? I thought this was denied by the strikers?

DennisR made the point that the £1 million each was a 'union rouse'. It seems clear in the correspondence that this was put to the union.

Nigel. Dont get me wrong on this. As I have explained before I support the three and their case, I just think there should be clarity on the situation rather than the union be mis represented on the single basis that they are 'right wing bureaucrats'. Woodley and co are dealing with a case left over from the Morris regime who in my view was a completely different kettle of fish.
 
The treatment of the three strikers who lost their jobs is not in dispute. They were treated disgracefully, and justice would be served if those responsible for this were brought to book; but, they won't be, will they. It is not a union's place to compensate workers wrongly dismissed or ill treated. Were this the case all unions would go under, or our subs would be £25 per week.
 
£1million each offer.Its in the correspondence? I thought this was denied by the strikers?

DennisR made the point that the £1 million each was a 'union rouse'. It seems clear in the correspondence that this was put to the union.

This is simply my personal opinion. I imagine there will be a fuller reply from the organisation:

And i would still stick by what i said above. It remains a 'union rouse' to cover up what actually went on in this dispute.

The same letter says that the strikers were not intending to seek this amount. The strikers have repeated this again and again and again.

Looks like one of the results of leaving the defense of your members to solicitors. And one that suits the legalistic approach of union bureaucrats. They thing is they cannot get away from the actual reality no matter how many 'press releases' in an attempt to legitimise their actions they continue to send out.

I would not have followed the solicitors 'advise' in certain respects (who is clearly trying to force the situation in the only way s/he knows with the legal threat) - but, given the union leaders are still at this point refusing to negotiate or even meet with the strikers themselves it is a bit rich to then take one solicitors legal letter as the crux of 'the case' the bureaucrats are replying to.

That original press release remains indefencible. It would be interesting to see if they would reply to the point made by the striker's themselves that you pointed to later (re the gagging order 'deal')

Strange that this is the only correspondance they have put up for viewing - given five years of correspondance; george's repeated attempts to deal with them face to face and, in particular, the union leadership's claim to be giving the 'simply the truth' in this brief press release.

i'm not convinced there is such a wide gap between the old union leadership and the new when they resort to this as representing the 'truth' - its far from it. Its embarrassing they ever let this get as far as it did. They continued to provoke - for a period of years - what the Morris leadership started and from what folk I can see here continue to use similar smear tactics. They act like solicitors with 'legal cases' themselves rather than workers leaders with moral and political backbones. It stinks of a very traditional (and very 'british' i think...) 'left bureaucrats' view of their 'role' in disputes as the clever negotiators, trying to sweep the somewhat dirtier reality under the carpet.

If they were so clever some of their own members would not have been forced to resort to the tactics they did. Those 'clever negotiators' could have clearly distanced themselves from the previous Morris leaderships role - instead they compounded the problem and then play on the out of context (and somewhat desperate imo...) actions of the legal beagle left holding the legal aspects of the dispute in their hands. Of course they could have gone to the strikers themselves at any point. Their only aim is to silence the strikers - even now

If your concern is that those union leaders should be defending their members money from 'unreasonable' demands (thats the angle they are trying to point across themselves of course...) - then I can only go back to the entire history of the dispute and say there were a lot better ways of defending that cash open to them and they were given every opportunity - the obvious one being going to those those members - supporting their legal case (given it was all they were left with) and righting the wrongs of the previous leadership.

The union and its own expensive legal teams could also spend a bit more time defending workers rights - its members - rather than trying to cover its 'leaders' arses- just a thought
 
The treatment of the three strikers who lost their jobs is not in dispute. They were treated disgracefully, and justice would be served if those responsible for this were brought to book; but, they won't be, will they. It is not a union's place to compensate workers wrongly dismissed or ill treated. Were this the case all unions would go under, or our subs would be £25 per week.

Yes, if you were speaking about what happened you would have a point.

The fact is though that it remains a smoke screen by union leaders - the strikers are not demanding this money.

And, you seem to have missed the somewhat important point that - in this case - it was those union leaders that got those workers dismissed in the first place.

The replacement union leaders then compounded the problem by continuing to refuse to support the actions the workers were then forced to bring themselves - on their own - having been shafted by their own leaders

These workers spend years wining an important legal case in defense of all working people in a similar situation. This was without the support or assistance of the union - in particular its leaders. A new leadership - despite weasalling words of support (after the case was won) and 'being different from the old leadership' - continued to ignore them. it was the union that continued to treat them disgracefully once the ex-employers had been legally beaten.

The whole 'they are claiming a million each' is a smokescreen - a bit like governments claiming that all people on benefits are scroungers on the fiddle after putting these people on the dole through their actions in the first place and while still bailing out the likes of northern rock to unimaginable (to those same doleies) sums. Or politicians using fantasy 'weopans of mass destruction' to legitimise murdering tens of thousands to control an oil supply. its called lies - its what people in power tend to do to cover up truths.

I recommend you read about the actual case
 
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