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Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by The Flying Pig, Sep 14, 2017.

  1. The Flying Pig

    The Flying Pig Well-Known Member

  2. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    No thanks. Explain or go away.
     
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  3. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Somewhere under the raincloud

    Whatever is going on it involves a handful of individuals, not 'transgender' as an entire concept.
     
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  4. Sweet FA

    Sweet FA ✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪

    Christ what a dull and shit thread title/first post.

    At least put some fucking effort in The Flying Pig, you lazy cunt.
     
  5. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    MacLachlan - aka Skepticat_uk - is a renowned transphobe who decided to video people at a protest. Someone seemingly objected to her shoving a camera in their face and slapped it away, leading to a kerfuffle. No excuse for violence, of course, but this seems a tad overblown.
     
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  6. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    Trans activists have attacked feminists by the looks of things. It's a first so hardly warrants a 'no thanks'.
     
  7. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    Feminists being physically attacked is acceptable? Um, ok.
     
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  8. Sweet FA

    Sweet FA ✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪

    You're another lazy cunt. Fuck off making shit up. Again.
     
  9. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Click here and you'll see what I mean!
     
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  10. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    On what basis are you suggesting I'm 'making things up (again)'?

    Here's the fb post doing the rounds about it. I took it at face value which is different from inventing stuff, no?

     
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  11. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    See above reply.
     
  12. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    Thread falls silent.
     
  13. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    I'm clearly being too cryptic. See post 4.
     
  14. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    A transphobe goes looking for a fight, finds one, complains about it. Gets support from the usual eejits.
     
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  15. spanglechick

    spanglechick High Empress of Dressing Up

    It's no less acceptable than anyone else being beaten up. That's quite an important bit of feminism, TBH. And sixty is middle aged. It's a decade younger than Trump, and I don't think he's so frail as not to be fair game in a street fight.

    And reading her fb post, if those kind of views are typical for her, then I can see why people might be a bit fucked off with her. Like, if you're a rabid anti-immigration type and you turn up to that place in Croydon where they process people's leave to remain, filming people and mouthing off about immigration... you can't be too shocked if you get a slap.
     
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  16. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    So we've now shifted towards treating feminists we don't agree with as fascists. What a mess is all I can say. Oh, and good luck. Identity politics continues to unravel.
     
  17. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    Oh look, a complete misrepresentation, quelle surprise.
     
  18. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    We disagree yet we don't picket each other's events. What a mess. Hopefully this is where the regressive left finally eats itself.
     
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  19. spanglechick

    spanglechick High Empress of Dressing Up

    Umm. Not everyone who is anti immigration is a fascist. I think it's not bad for a rough analogy. This women and many like her (a small minority of feminists, btw) look at some of the most vulnerable people in society and tell them that "you can't join our club". No matter how urgent it is, no matter the risk to the trans woman's mental health, they build a wall around "being a woman" and leave people to suffer on the other side.
     
  20. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    That's a different take to a moment ago. There is nothing wrong with protesting against a meeting promoting a reactionary agenda.

    The organisers of the meeting also attacked a protestor (see action for trans health fb page), but they're not talking about it. Funny that.
     
  21. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    I find the issue to be complex. I find myself nodding to both sides of the argument whenever they're given. Obviously it's emotive, hence this. But now we're entering a situation where feminists don't mind feminist meetings being attacked if they're the wrong kind of feminist.
     
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  22. spanglechick

    spanglechick High Empress of Dressing Up

    Physical attacks are bad, but a risk you take in any kind of public activism.
     
  23. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    Of course. But what we're discussing here is a case of the left attacking the left. Or maybe not. I'm not entirely sure where either side stands on economic issues and 'left' is now a byword for social justice.
     
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  24. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    The meeting wasn't attacked.
     
  25. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    Just because you're 'left' (and I'm not sure that the organisers would describe themselves thus) doesn't absolve you if you promote a bigoted agenda. No doubt many people attending were quite genuine and just wanted to find out more about the issues, but that isn't true of the organisers.
     
  26. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    It's funny though how you weren't arguing their theories were bigoted a decade ago.
     
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  27. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    Pedant.
     
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  28. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    What was I arguing a decade ago?
     
  29. kittyP

    kittyP schmeeer

    As much as I would love all feminists to be incredibly cool and get along, that's only by my own personal engender.
    Obviously in reality it's much more nuanced and complicated than that.
     
  30. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    No, it's a large distinction. The meeting was protested against. Are you saying that is invalid?

    The person who was slightly injured had been trying to provoke the protestors. She had been sticking her camera in there faces, to what purpose? of course it would have been better to rise above her provocations, but it's hardly surprising someone tried to take her camera off her, is it?
     

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