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"...No basslines, nuthin dirty or sexy
It feels completely lacking in soul or depth of any kind
It's located in the upper body, nothing happening below the waist
to me it sounds sterile, linear, european all of which may be great in different contexts but not what I want from music ...."

i wish i was that articulate
 
Well the first comment is well off beam - there are some phat trance basslines and depending on how it's written it can be as deep as serialist classical music. And no, it's not 'below the waist' music the same way DnB is but the actual dancing is more down to inability to wiggle than the tunes - I've wiggled away to trance many a time...

But I can totally appreciate why it's not some people's cup of tea - I mean I'm one of those people who quite honestly can't stand reggae (love dub tho) - I just find it dull, repetitive and boring.
 
AlShakka said:
id like to bet that most of the people here slagging off trance havent actually heard an awful lot of psytrance!

sadly most of the psytrance people hear is this cheesy israeli stuff that seems so popular in this country, particularly indoor parties. i can see why people cant get into this... i struggle to..

stuff that is good, no cheese - artists like jahbo, grapes of wrath, kindzadza, psyside, psyfactor for squelchy stuff.. scorb, neural rectifier syndrome, deviant species for more angry technoish stuff...
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completely agree. I can't really listen to the cheesy uplifting trance (went to loads of clubs like that when I was first getting into raving and now hearing it just makes me cringe... still had some amazing nights back then though), but psytrance is a whole differant ball game. All the artists you mentioned are a world away from the likes of PVD and co. I can see why people don't like it, its very cleanly produced, very synthetic, its not dirty enough for lots of people (although that doesn't really apply to people like GoW or kindzazda), some people find it doesn't go anywhere, no drops, no hooks, no big bass lines, but personally I really enjoy the sound of it, and some of the production in psytrance is incredible.
I couldn't solely listen to psytrance, I need those nasty bass lines, those amen breaks etc.. as well sometimes, but when Im in the mood, and your at a good party and the music is of a good quality its just as good as your best DnB/Breaks etc.. just in a very differant way.
 
AlShakka said:
id like to bet that most of the people here slagging off trance havent actually heard an awful lot of psytrance!
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Er no, after a good few years living with one of those psy-trance missionaries you were talking of (then gf of one East London's biggest psy-trance squat party honchos, also a friend) it's fair to say that I've had quite enough psy-trance shovelled in my general direction. Even been to my fair share of free parties and out of towners. Sadly I even recognise some of the artists you've listed.

It's not unlistenable- arguably a little better and less routine than commercial trance - but it's still largely anodyne and lacking in grunt and funk. Dance for a bit .... then get very bored waiting for the filthy bass to drop and having to endure all those wibbly ups and downs.

AlShakka said:
:fair enough.. psy is a bit of a passion for me.in a way its a way of life not just a music
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...but that's perhaps my biggest problem with it. It's ultimately a limited music form with a hugely committed, if incestuous circle, of familiar faces dominating the parties. A high preponderance of well meaning, but ultimately frustrating hippies and euro-characters involved too - far too many bongos, jugglers and people attributing mystical qualities to the music that simply wasn't there. Most of the stuff was simply uninspired and unchallenging, coupled with a contination of the airy-fairy bollocks and cod-spiritualism that surrounded much of the early Goa Trance.

Fair enough for a spangled party down the George IV or in deepest Thyssen St but to treat it as a way of life always struck me as a little misguided. Leave out all the mystical guff and I'd probably have more respect for the music and people involved. Everything in moderation... particularly when the music should be for the dancefloor, not passed off as something with quasi-spiritual significance.
 
tarannau said:
...but that's perhaps my biggest problem with it. It's ultimately a limited music form with a hugely committed, if incestuous circle, of familiar faces dominating the parties. A high preponderance of well meaning, but ultimately frustrating hippies and euro-characters involved too - far too many bongos, jugglers and people attributing mystical qualities to the music that simply wasn't there. Most of the stuff was simply uninspired and unchallenging, coupled with a contination of the airy-fairy bollocks and cod-spiritualism that surrounded much of the early Goa Trance.

Fair enough for a spangled party down the George IV or in deepest Thyssen St but to treat it as a way of life always struck me as a little misguided. Leave out all the mystical guff and I'd probably have more respect for the music and people involved. Everything in moderation... particularly when the music should be for the dancefloor, not passed off as something with quasi-spiritual significance.
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I have to say, although I love psytrance, theres a fair bit of truth in that post. The hippy bollocks and cliqueness of certain sections of the scene irritates me a bit, a psytrance party can never be just for the sake of having a party- it always has to be about 'aligning the spirtual shakras of mother earth' or some such bollocks when all it should really be about is a big fuck off soundsystem, good music and a load of people dancing to it.
 
There will always be a place in my heart for Eat Static, Green Nuns of the Revolution, and Last Train to Lhasa by Banco de Gaia.
 
kr236rk said:
grandpappy Fridge? :hmm:
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Escape from Samsara was a club night at the Fridge in the late 90s, yes.


Must admit, today's trance ala Tiesto and Armin van Buuren and Judge Jules doesn't do anything for me at all I'm afraid.

When i think trance I think early 90s Age Of Love/Jam & Spoon and psy/goa trance such as Banco de Gaia/Eat Static. :cool:
 
stephj said:
Nice one OU - checking this :cool:
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it's a FUCKING BRILLIANT mix.
it has a mix of electropop, new beat, slowed down italo ('humanoid invasion" sounds well epic) and other stuff like jean-michel jarre, cabaret voltaire and chris & cosey on it.
i may very well post this on a new thread cos it really deserves to be heard by as many people as possible.
 
stephj said:
Not quite what OU is getting at by 'proto-trance' I should think!

I'm guessing more Cab Voltaire, Age of Love, Orb, KLF, Orbital stuff in the very early 90s?
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that's certainly what you might call proto-trance in some respects, but the mix in question covers music played on the beaches of goa in the mid 80s, way before the psytrance hippies took it over.
 
Cheers OU, just started listening to it now.

Genre labels are funny things, I havent seen the Orb labelled as any sort of trance much. KLF was probably the first stuff I heard, and Im tempted to say that Papua New Guinea by FSOL was a bit trancey.

Mind you considering I was a bit late to start buying music or going out I wouldnt be surprised if some of my earliest exposure to this sort of thing was through some mod tracker music in Atari ST demos.
 
elbows said:
Cheers OU, just started listening to it now.

Genre labels are funny things, I havent seen the Orb labelled as any sort of trance much. KLF was probably the first stuff I heard, and Im tempted to say that Papua New Guinea by FSOL was a bit trancey.
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I was thinking Little Fluffy Clouds specifically as 'proto-trance' but not delving as early as OU.

Praps also ?
 
Torsten Fenslau mades some great late 80s/early 90s stuff that was played a lot in Goa (he also made pop music as Culture Beat). Also stuff on New Zone & Boy Records was very goa trance sounding before goa trance.

Orang Utan said:
way before the psytrance hippies took it over.
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they didn't take it over, it was the same people playing industrial/EBM in the 80s who were playing goa trance there in the 90s.
 
elbows said:
Cheers OU, just started listening to it now.

Genre labels are funny things, I havent seen the Orb labelled as any sort of trance much. KLF was probably the first stuff I heard, and Im tempted to say that Papua New Guinea by FSOL was a bit trancey.

Mind you considering I was a bit late to start buying music or going out I wouldnt be surprised if some of my earliest exposure to this sort of thing was through some mod tracker music in Atari ST demos.
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don't think anyone said the orb et al were trance but they certainly had an influence on what became it.
KLF did an ace mix of what time is love called the pure trance mix. but it wasn't trance in the newer sense of the word, it was trance as in hypnotic.
 
Orang Utan said:
don't think anyone said the orb et al were trance but they certainly had an influence on what became it.
KLF did an ace mix of what time is love called the pure trance mix. but it wasn't trance in the newer sense of the word, it was trance as in hypnotic.
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Used to love the too! :cool:
 
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http://www.discogs.com/Andrew-Souter-Abduction-Mix/release/176491


The only trance album you ever need :cool:
 
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