Trance music
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Blagsta
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Wanderer said:Mind you, I have spoken to a lot of people in the UK who will dismiss any music as a matter of course if it's not "really dark man." Ooohhh... I only listen to 'dark' music... I'm soooo mysterious and complicated. Muppets.
My main criticism is that its crap to dance to.
Blagsta said:
Diff'rent strokes, innit.
The 4/4 beat with an offfbeat bassline is a deeply primal rhythm - the same rhythm that people have been dancing to since ancient times. If played at the right tempo, the beat mimics the brain's alpha state, inducing a trance. Add some tasty acid lines and digital wizardry and you've got all the ingredients for a fantasticly sinuous dancing experience.
Another thing I love about psytrance parties is that there is a marked lack of people dancing to impress. People just don't tend to care how their dancing is perceived by others.
Also, some people make a lot of effort with their outfits and spend ages getting dressed up - which always adds to the carveval spirit - but seldom if ever have I seen people poncing about trying to show off their designer gear.
I can fully understand why some people find the scene cheesy, but I fookin love it.
Louloubelle
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Wanderer said:
You are Steve Hillage
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PacificOcean
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*Waves Hand*
I love trance. Indeed I have been a fan since I heard Art Of Trance's Madagascar back in 1996.
There is nothing like that feeling when you are off your face and the tune is building to a huge cresendo, everyone in the club is jumping punching the air, faster and faster with the build up, until it climaxes with a thumping beat kicking in and the whole club goes wild.
Recommendation wise - Tiesto is the finest trance DJ and his In Search of Sunrise CDs are well worth checking out.
And OT but I would really like to know the stats of the numbers shot at "urban" clubs and those shot at "trance/dance" clubs.
I love trance. Indeed I have been a fan since I heard Art Of Trance's Madagascar back in 1996.
There is nothing like that feeling when you are off your face and the tune is building to a huge cresendo, everyone in the club is jumping punching the air, faster and faster with the build up, until it climaxes with a thumping beat kicking in and the whole club goes wild.
Recommendation wise - Tiesto is the finest trance DJ and his In Search of Sunrise CDs are well worth checking out.
And OT but I would really like to know the stats of the numbers shot at "urban" clubs and those shot at "trance/dance" clubs.
Blagsta loves trance, always has. He's just in this unfortunate state of constant denial, doesn't really mean what he says. Be nice to him
PacificOcean
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Wanderer said:Makes me happy just thinking about it
Some people round these parts are just miserable sods.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Wanderer said:Dance music has a repetitve beat. It's played at high volume. It's made for dancing and losing yourself to. It's not supposed to be subtle.
I like my dance music to have some soul, funk and groove. Otherwise I might as well be dancing at my local roadworks.
Wanderer said:
Is it? Who says?
Wanderer said:Dance music has a repetitve beat. It's played at high volume. It's made for dancing and losing yourself to. It's not supposed to be subtle.
Subtle music is for chilled nights in, surely?
course dance music can still be subtle, whilst being loud and repetitive. it's the diffrence between hard house and deep house, between wobbly jump-up drum n bass and liquid, for example. just cos something's subtle don't mean it's "chill out" music. and just cos something's obvious doesn't mean it's good.
milesy said:
Then we're debating semantics. A lot of the psytrance I know and love is what I would consider to be "subtle", i.e. it uses the less is more approach and doesn't go for the easy snare buildup and the predicatble hit hat lines. Some of Infected Mushroom's tracks are positively sublime in their subtlety.
However, I wouldn't bother trying to convince anyone who doesn't like trance, because they'll usually argue that anything that uses a 4/4 kick drum with psychedelic synth lines and clipped percussion is, by definition, not subtle.
It seems to me to be sheer hypocrisy to suggest that Trance as a genre is devoid of any subtlety if you then turn around and suggest that Funky House, Tek House, Deep House or any other kind of dance music is capable of it.
S'just splitting hairs IMO.
for good measure.milesy said:well i can't argue with that as i don't know an awful lot of psytrance and have never heard of Infected Mushroom.
but then it wasn't me that said that...
was it?
True, but I hastily abandoned that line of argument, cos it was crap!
Consider my previous post to be a 180....
Definitely check out Infected Mushroom's second album Classical Mushroom. Amazing stuff with a lot of classical influences.
milesy said:well i can't argue with that as i don't know an awful lot of psytrance and have never heard of Infected Mushroom.
id like to bet that most of the people here slagging off trance havent actually heard an awful lot of psytrance!
sadly most of the psytrance people hear is this cheesy israeli stuff that seems so popular in this country, particularly indoor parties. i can see why people cant get into this... i struggle to..
stuff that is good, no cheese - artists like jahbo, grapes of wrath, kindzadza, psyside, psyfactor for squelchy stuff.. scorb, neural rectifier syndrome, deviant species for more angry technoish stuff...
psytrance not subtle?? psy is designed for the acid melted brain. its the subtlety of the sounds that make the difference between a good tune and a bad one when in such a state.
memories are flooding back to me now of arguments i would have at school trying to convince friends to listen to heavy metal over chart music.. we spent hours arguing over the finer points of the rythms and the lyrics and whether it sounded better to sing gracefully or snarl.. we never got anywhere then, and i suspect we wont get anywhere here.. damn this personal taste thing that means people dont appreciate stuff the same way i do.....
Louloubelle
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AlShakka said:id like to bet that most of the people here slagging off trance havent actually heard an awful lot of psytrance!
sadly most of the psytrance people hear is this cheesy israeli stuff that seems so popular in this country, particularly indoor parties. i can see why people cant get into this... i struggle to..
stuff that is good, no cheese - artists like jahbo, grapes of wrath, kindzadza, psyside, psyfactor for squelchy stuff.. scorb, neural rectifier syndrome, deviant species for more angry technoish stuff...
psytrance not subtle?? psy is designed for the acid melted brain. its the subtlety of the sounds that make the difference between a good tune and a bad one when in such a state.
memories are flooding back to me now of arguments i would have at school trying to convince friends to listen to heavy metal over chart music.. we spent hours arguing over the finer points of the rythms and the lyrics and whether it sounded better to sing gracefully or snarl.. we never got anywhere then, and i suspect we wont get anywhere here.. damn this personal taste thing that means people dont appreciate stuff the same way i do.....
I've got, or should I say, used to have, lots of friends who were seriously into trance, including producers and DJs
I've endured countless hours of exposure to all kinds of trance, I've on numnerous occasions been invited to parties on a promise that there will be reggae / D&B in the second room, only to find nothing but trance and hideous noodly chill out music
People who like trance, IMO, find it hard to understand why other people don't like it. They imagine that, given sufficient exposure and encouragement, people will succumb to it's delights. This is just not so
Trance is the antithesis of enjoyable music IMO, I don't object to others enjoying it, I just dont want to waste another nanosecond of my life enduring music that makes me feel frustrated and depressed
PacificOcean
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Louloubelle said:Trance is the antithesis of enjoyable music IMO, I don't object to others enjoying it, I just dont want to waste another nanosecond of my life enduring music that makes me feel frustrated and depressed
It's funny how subjective music is as I feel exactly the same about what you like.
I wonder what it is that makes me like one sort and you hate it and vice versa? Have there been stuides on it?
Genuine question, cos it sounds a bit like I trying to start a row.
Louloubelle
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PacificOcean said:It's funny how subjective music is as I feel exactly the same about what you like.
I wonder what it is that makes me like one sort and you hate it and vice versa? Have there been stuides on it?
Genuine question, cos it sounds a bit like I trying to start a row.
something I've often wondered about
I would be interested to discover what makes people tick musically
I'm sure that there's market research to identify consumers of trance as opposed to other types of music
sleaterkinney
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Have to stop you there - I know absolutely no IT people into trance, IT people tend to like interesting music, not mind-numbing, boring, repdidative dross. They're probably accountants.Louloubelle said:you knows it
I betcha your either a programmer or an IT security consultant
I can agree with what LouLou says about brains being wired differently - every time I listen to trance I find myself waiting for breaks or a melody that just doesn't come, it's torture.
Louloubelle
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sleaterkinney said:
some of my long terms raving mates were all into trance, a very high percentage of them are programers, web security consultants and website developers. All earning insane amounts of money and with a very well developed thinking capacity but less developed feeling capacity (apologies for getting Jungian on yer ass)
My very provisional hypothesis is that people who love trance are often highly intelligent people with a talent for maths, computing etc. but who wouldn't make very good counsellors.
sleaterkinney
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It's ok, my own personal hypothesis is that the well developed thinking capacity is what steers them clear of trance in the first place, most of the techies I know are into techno, dnb etc because of this - they find trance too boring. And as for making good counsellors etc, that's bit of a wide statement to make but it sounds like you're comfortable with that...Louloubelle said:
Louloubelle said:
im sure if you just gave it one more chance you would be converted!
fair enough.. psy is a bit of a passion for me. in a way its a way of life not just a music... I find you get people who are trance missionaries whos aim it is to convert as many peope to the ways of the trance as possible! i have never encountered such dedication amongst any other music genres. dont know why...
i am a programmer btw...
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
While from a position of cool and being an old clubber I should hate trance...I can't!!
As Renegade Dog said earlier, the atmosphere at trance nights is univesally happy and fluffy, the WHOLE club are on pills/MDMA so there's that massive group vibe thing (anyone else agree that the bigger the crowd the better as well?).
I used to go to Samsara every other weekend and each week I'd spend about 2hours talking in the cafe/upstairs, 2hrs staggering around wondering wtf was going on and the rest of the night on the stage bouncing around with 'my' grin...fucking great night out.
My best ever trance experience was at Slinky - I went on the back of the Slinky/Guy Ornadel mix CD cos he was playing and OMG what a night!! GO dropped Doom's Night in the middle of his set and I haven't seen a club crowd just explode with smiles, cheers and general lurve since.
These days my preferred BPM is between 150-170 - 3stepspersecond is a bit wearing on the body and brain for me now (well it is for extended periods anyway) but for me the best example of acid/trance is Aceperience 1 by Hardfloor.
Altogether now...
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OK, it's not great but you try writing out the beat, bassline and cowbell sound thingy...
BTW -all the stereotyping about 'who likes trance' on this thread is bollocks. Open your minds people.
Shit, I've entered hippy mode. *SLAP* That's better.
As Renegade Dog said earlier, the atmosphere at trance nights is univesally happy and fluffy, the WHOLE club are on pills/MDMA so there's that massive group vibe thing (anyone else agree that the bigger the crowd the better as well?).
I used to go to Samsara every other weekend and each week I'd spend about 2hours talking in the cafe/upstairs, 2hrs staggering around wondering wtf was going on and the rest of the night on the stage bouncing around with 'my' grin
...fucking great night out.My best ever trance experience was at Slinky - I went on the back of the Slinky/Guy Ornadel mix CD cos he was playing and OMG what a night!! GO dropped Doom's Night in the middle of his set and I haven't seen a club crowd just explode with smiles, cheers and general lurve since.
These days my preferred BPM is between 150-170 - 3stepspersecond is a bit wearing on the body and brain for me now (well it is for extended periods anyway) but for me the best example of acid/trance is Aceperience 1 by Hardfloor.
Altogether now...
bub-bub-bum bub-bub-bum bub-bub-bum bub-bub-bum bub-bub-bum bub-bub-bum bub-bub-bum bub-bub-bum bub-bub-bum bub-bub-bum bub-bub-bum bub-bub-bum
bumbobumbobumbumbobumbobumbumbobumbobumbumbobumbobumbumbobumbobum
b-b-b-bum b-b-b-bumbum
OK, it's not great but you try writing out the beat, bassline and cowbell sound thingy...
BTW -all the stereotyping about 'who likes trance' on this thread is bollocks. Open your minds people.
Shit, I've entered hippy mode. *SLAP* That's better.
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