Trains companies: Selling tickets vs Issuing Fines

[Roadkill]

Funny you should say that. Don't you think that people's ability to travel is being harmed by the alleged unethical profiteering of the TOCs?

If so, why should they have to get their house in order while a free pass is given to any fare dodger with a half-plausible gripe about the system?

Where did I ever say every fare-dodger should be given a free pass?

 

[untethered]

Where did I ever say every fare-dodger should be given a free pass?

I meant figuratively, not literally.

 

[Roadkill]

I meant figuratively, not literally.

You might want to explain yourself a bit more clearly, 'cos i can't see what the point is that you're trying to make.

 

[untethered]

Why should anyone expect ethical behaviour from the TOCs when they're not even prepared to do something as simple as pay the fare for a service they're quite happy to use?

 

[Roadkill]

Why should anyone expect ethical behaviour from the TOCs when they're not even prepared to do something as simple as pay the fare for a service they're quite happy to use?

You'd be better off asking that question of someone who actually does fare-dodge...

FWIW, it's not a matter of 'unethical profiteering' (your words, from a couple of posts back) on the part of the TOCs. Sure, they're making a profit, but not an enormous one since their costs are very high. The privatised railway system is extremely expensive to run, for all sorts of reasons that have been gone into on here before. That's why fares are so high, and that in turn is why so many people bunk them. It's not a matter of ethics so much as cold economic fact.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Surely the common thread is simply to articulate and practice more ethical ways of living.

Fare dodging, benefit fraud, tax evasion and avoidance, profiteering could all be eliminated tomorrow if the people concerned decided that they weren't going to be the ones running a little (or big) fiddle to their own advantage just because everyone else seems to be at it.

Well, most people aren't at it but the general advice on this thread seems to be that you might as well be.

thing is that fare dodging beniefit fraud tax eviation and aviodence profitteering of the inividual is in significant compared to the licenced robbery which is purportrated by commercail organisations usually under legislation brought in by the very people who should be protecting the inidivual the govt...

benifit fraud has gone down from around £800,000 to around £300,000 which is well and good but in reality it's not evena drop in the ocean when compared to the billions of pounds spent on PPP schools and hostpitals not build or standign empty as we cannot afford to run them but have to pay private companies for their upkeep... that level of fraud in a very real sense has been legalised... the point being made is that why bother putting sticking plaster on a cut on the finger when the hand has been seperated from the body... better to sew it back on and treat the finger later eh?

you cannot exepct exemplary reactions or behaviours from a society if the ruling eleite are not of the same calibere ever if it ain't worth the knobs and sods doign it it ain't worth the chattle from doing it is it...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Why should anyone expect ethical behaviour from the TOCs when they're not even prepared to do something as simple as pay the fare for a service they're quite happy to use?

becasue they are supposed to act outside of this if they are to provide a public service...

 

[teuchter]

becasue they are supposed to act outside of this if they are to provide a public service...

who's supposed to act outside of what?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

who's supposed to act outside of what?

excuse the pun but can you follow the train of conversation?

the companies providing the service should be outside of punitively and randomaly extractign revenge on any of it's users regardless of their paying stats and legally have a duty of care towards them regardless of their status.... ergo they should be above such things...

 

[teuchter]

excuse the pun but can you follow the train of conversation?

I normally can when it's conducted in coherent english ....

the companies providing the service should be outside of punitively and randomaly extractign revenge on any of it's users regardless of their paying stats and legally have a duty of care towards them regardless of their status.... ergo they should be above such things...

does that translate as:

train companies shouldn't take any action against fare-dodgers?

are you basically saying that train travel should be free for everyone?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

train companies shouldn't take any action against fare-dodgers?

are you basically saying that train travel should be free for everyone?

it translates as it is corperate entiites are held to a higher standard than private indivduals at all times except when i comes to govt bungs and taxations.... but in all other regards they are...