Rope and a trapdoor if I remember correctly.
Toyko knifeman goes berserk: kills 7, injures 10
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Rope and a trapdoor if I remember correctly.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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gorski
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In any heavily alienated [and in various ways repressive] society - this shit will come back to bite us in the arse!!!
If one doesn't constantly interact, from very early on - in the best manner possible - then socialisation process can be close to zero and people go awry, with no proper feedback, never being challenged when they go bananas, never been show that anyone cares, never learning their limits ...
Equally, they don't get any mutually re-enforcing communal feeling if/when they recognise others, when they show some respect, consideration and so forth, i.e. they never get any recognition, respect and consideration. So, they never learn, they never grow up, they remain self-centred and go doo-lally in various ways....
Everything we are - we are through relationships with other Humans. If those are cold, alienated, instrumentalised to the bone, uncaring and reifying - then, what do we expect from people who don't have anything to hold dear and feel they have nothing to lose?!?
It's just a symptom...
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
what?
are we sure he didnt have a mental illness?
Oh stop trying to understand, these boards are for browbeating and frothing at the mouth don't you know!
Everybody who does something like this is clearly in full control of their faculties........
/sarcasm off.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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I hear a lot about this in the west (of Japan) with lots of chin scratching and analysis etc, but have never really come across it in real day to day life.
gorski
customised free radical
You must be fucking joking!!! This is not "reality"?!?
How personal to YOU does it have to be to become reality for you? If it isn't happening to you - it isn't happening at all, is it?
Btw, this goes for American or any other such society, not just for Japan. Note the "us" in your quote!!!!!!
I don't care which form alienation and reification take. Irrational, non-productive sublimation, as Marcuse would put it - resulting in repression of legitimate Human needs, the essential parts of Human Nature - will have consequences and some of them will look like this!
This is not "reality"?!? How personal to YOU does it have to be to become reality for you? If it isn't happening to you - it isn't happening at all, is it?Btw, this goes for American or any other such society, not just for Japan. Note the "us" in your quote!!!!!!
I don't care which form alienation and reification take. Irrational, non-productive sublimation, as Marcuse would put it - resulting in repression of legitimate Human needs, the essential parts of Human Nature - will have consequences and some of them will look like this!
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
just out of interest , how exactly would you defind Tykyo society as being 'heavily alienated'.
maybe older residents may inhabit an alienated psycho-social domain but this nut was in his mid 20s.
and while it may appear outwardly formal in convention and interaction i'd say Tokyo is a hell of a lot less repressed than any western city.
Japan's actually one of the world's safest countries. It's because of that that it's more shocking when it does happen.
nah i reckon he just went totally batshit crazy
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
How personal to YOU does it have to be to become reality for you? If it isn't happening to you - it isn't happening at all, is it?
I don't mean crazy people sitting next to me flipping out or not flipping out. I mean perceptions of Japan from outside Japan. I mean living there and watching the TV. I mean going out, meeting people and reading the newspapers.
Anyway I was moreso referring to your comment 'happens in places that are heavily alienated and in various ways repressive', I just haven't found Japan all that alienated and repressive. If anything in many ways Japan is quite the opposite in fact.
gorski
customised free radical
Well, that's the first to me...
Demi-feudal, patriarchal, yet individually seriously competitive. The usual job for life is gone now and yet strong "common consciousness" rules, i.e. group identity is pervasive, corporations are running the lives of their employees much more than here, everything is highly regimented, strictly hierarchical.......... Uh, not gonna start with all that, are we...???
Can you explain what you mean, please?
gorski
customised free radical
Hmmm.... but why? Having in mind what he was writing, warning what he'll do, reasons given etc.
gorski
customised free radical
OK, in many which ways, please?
Because, by default that would mean that in many ways it is alienated and repressed, non?
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
nah, mate, don't think i would start with any of that as that's certainly not the impression i get of the place and its (young) people. it really seems pretty much the exact opposite of all that with a much greater hedonistic joi de vivre than anywhere in the west.
sounds to me like you've been reading too many sociology books.
always amazes me just how pervasive all the myths about tokyo are... that people work crazy hours, everything is expensive... utter cobblers from my experience.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
it's kinda true... i mean if you go out it london you don't get a feel for what the majority of england is like
biff curtains
Fred West or Fred Housego
nah, mate, don't think i would start with any of that as that's certainly not the impression i get of the place and its (young) people. it really seems pretty much the exact opposite of all that with a much greater hedonistic joi de vivre than anywhere in the west.
sounds to me like you've been reading too many sociology books.
always amazes me just how pervasive all the myths about tokyo are... that people work crazy hours, everything is expensive... utter cobblers from my experience.
It's like when people bang on about used knicker vending machines and Endurance - actually there were only two such vending machines and they were removed almost immeadiately by the cops - and endurance was more popular here than in Japan.
Still them damn funny inscrutable chaps eh?
I was reading about this earlier.
Just terrible.
Just terrible.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
It's like when people bang on about used knicker vending machines and Endurance - actually there were only two such vending machines and they were removed almost immeadiately by the cops - and endurance was more popular here than in Japan.
Still them damn funny inscrutable chaps eh?
I'm pretty sure they located inside sex shops as well. Stupid story.
People always say you can buy anything from a vending machine in Tokyo. Well it's true as long as you only count cans of drink and packets of fags.
Gamantaikai (Endurance) was actually actually quite popular in the 80s while it was on but that's still like bringing up "Game for a laugh" and "bowler hats" every time someone mentions the UK.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
we had the royal family on it's a knock out so they should at least be able to torture a few salerymen
gorski
customised free radical
If one asks a critically minded person, versed in both traditions, something like "So, what is the state of debate on XYZ in Japan now?" one is most likely to hear: "Debate?!? What debate?!?"
So, luckily I have critically minded Japanese acquaintances/friends and don't have to listen to utter cobblers, such as this "personal experience" nonsense...
And those sociological and philosophical books I have been reading are certainly not based on... what? One's hedonistic experiences in Japan? Circumstantial, individual stuff based around the very kind of life they [the young Japanese escapologists] would all love to forget about, if only briefly or for a few hours... at most... in some escapological worthless exercise... from precisely the context I have described... Bloody hell!
Thou shall find what and where ye shall seek!
Not that you can't find loads of similar bullshit in London or New York, even if it's for different reasons [different context] but from the very same grounds [alienation]. But then again, I stated it universally, NOT just for Japan, whose cultural and civilisational context is quite different, true - but the end result on most people is equally shitty...
Crikey!
So, luckily I have critically minded Japanese acquaintances/friends and don't have to listen to utter cobblers, such as this "personal experience" nonsense...
And those sociological and philosophical books I have been reading are certainly not based on... what? One's hedonistic experiences in Japan? Circumstantial, individual stuff based around the very kind of life they [the young Japanese escapologists] would all love to forget about, if only briefly or for a few hours... at most... in some escapological worthless exercise... from precisely the context I have described... Bloody hell!
Thou shall find what and where ye shall seek!
Not that you can't find loads of similar bullshit in London or New York, even if it's for different reasons [different context] but from the very same grounds [alienation]. But then again, I stated it universally, NOT just for Japan, whose cultural and civilisational context is quite different, true - but the end result on most people is equally shitty...
Crikey!
nah, mate, don't think i would start with any of that as that's certainly not the impression i get of the place and its (young) people. it really seems pretty much the exact opposite of all that with a much greater hedonistic joi de vivre than anywhere in the west.
sounds to me like you've been reading too many sociology books.
always amazes me just how pervasive all the myths about tokyo are... that people work crazy hours, everything is expensive... utter cobblers from my experience.
Indeed. My friend is in Yokohama and he only pays 45 quid a week for a room in a house near the beach. He usually pays a few quid to eat out. It doesn't sound that expensive.
do they take pounds sterling in Japan?
I think the Japanese have worked out some kind of futuristic system where the currency of one country can actually be exchanged for the currency of another. Not sure if there's any robots involved or not...
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
If one asks a critically minded person, versed in both traditions, something like "So, what is the state of debate on XYZ in Japan now?" one is most likely to hear: "Debate?!? What debate?!?"
So, luckily I have critically minded Japanese acquaintances/friends and don't have to listen to utter cobblers, such as this "personal experience" nonsense...
And those sociological and philosophical books I have been reading are certainly not based on... what? One's hedonistic experiences in Japan? Circumstantial, individual stuff based around the very kind of life they [the young Japanese escapologists] would all love to forget about, if only briefly or for a few hours... at most... in some escapological worthless exercise... from precisely the context I have described... Bloody hell!
Thou shall find what and where ye shall seek!
Not that you can't find loads of similar bullshit in London or New York, even if it's for different reasons [different context] but from the very same grounds [alienation]. But then again, I stated it universally, NOT just for Japan, whose cultural and civilisational context is quite different, true - but the end result on most people is equally shitty...
Crikey!
You only stated that it was 'universal' after the post you made about alienation blah blah blah. If it's universal how is it relevant in a thread about what's happening in Japan and how were we supposed to guess?
And why is personal experience cobblers? Is your experience of the UK irrelevant because it's not written about in your sociological and philosophical books?
Guess what, people only write about sociological and philosophical bullshit in books about sociological and philosophical bullshit. They have to fill them with something.
What is the alienation you are banging on about anyway?
PS
You sound like a bit of a nobX10. Say hello to your Japanese acquaintances/friends for me.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Well, that's the first to me...
Demi-feudal, patriarchal, yet individually seriously competitive. The usual job for life is gone now and yet strong "common consciousness" rules, i.e. group identity is pervasive, corporations are running the lives of their employees much more than here, everything is highly regimented, strictly hierarchical.......... Uh, not gonna start with all that, are we...???
Can you explain what you mean, please?
PS I only just read this.
Ha ha ha, This is such a load of shit. Your books are not only soooo out of date, they are painting everything/one with such a broad brush. Like I said, the people who write those books have got to make up some sort of bullshit I suppose. I guess it would be pretty boring to read about people who sometimes have slightly longer hours than us 'sometimes' and 'sometimes' eat lot's of food communally while they get pissed.
gorski
customised free radical
Luckily, as I said, I heard from critically minded Japanese themselves all the way to top class philosophers/thinkers, like Habermas and co., having just been there and so on...
So, leave it out, you're gonna do yourself an injury, trying to generalise your personal "experiences".
When did circumstantial, fragmentary "evidence" became so "powerful"?!?
So, leave it out, you're gonna do yourself an injury, trying to generalise your personal "experiences".
When did circumstantial, fragmentary "evidence" became so "powerful"?!?
yes, since when did first hand experience start getting more credence given to it than second and third hand sources, it is ridiculous. i guess you've read a book about though so you will probably be able to advise me.When did circumstantial, fragmentary "evidence" became so "powerful"?!?
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Oh I see, so their first hand experience passed on to you as second hand or worse and then spat out on an internet thread is better than any other first or second hand experience? I don't doubt critical thinkers are more critical about lots of things.
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