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Grandma Death
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I couldn't have put that better myself.
*awaits Spymaster's specious defence of Rach*
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's not really what I meant Dex, although I think it does.
My comment was directed at Granny as in "Granny needs Rachamim in his life" rather than the forum in general and I think that's evidenced by GD's behaviour and posting patterns.
I'd agree that some of Rachamim's historical comment is questionable but by no means all of it, and his are views held by many and should be heard.
I've never subscribed to the "traditional leftist" view of the conflict, believe that Israel has a right to exist more or less where it is, and whilst sympathetic with regard to civilian casualties, do not believe the Palestinians to be completely blameless or reasonable in this theatre.
Ok Rachamim's views are stronger and I disagree with tons of what he posts but he's the only one providing any balance whatsoever. As I said before, take his stuff out of this forum and all you're left with is a circle jerk announcing how naughty the nasty Israeli's are being to the lovely Palestinians and Granny will have no reason to come here at all!!!
Don't kid yourself that this is some kind of good v evil battle either, that's incredibly arrogant though typical of many left-wingers who preach on the subject because they of course are the sole arbiters of what's right and wrong in the middle east.
FWIW, I don't think Rachamim is Clint either. IP Check?
Grandma Death
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Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Good then start debating with him. I guarantee you within the space of weeks you'll be displaying the same levels of exasperation as the majority of other forum users. Some of whom have tried debating with him for far longer than the fly by nights who stick their head into the forum now and again and of recent, to defend him, when in reality all they are attempting to do is troll-and troll rather badly too I hasten to add.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Come come.
I question your veracity just about every time you post.
Apologise for what?
Is it an "insult" to espress dismay that you still, despite having been asked several times by the site's owner to provide substantiation of your claim, haven't stirred yourself to provide it?
Is it an "insult" to inform other posters that, by your own claim, you have a "pathological need for honesty"?
How about you substantiate your claim?
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
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DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
So if most people are anti-rape....
The ME forum is generally news driven. The only thing happening just now are those cunting soldiers are at it again 'discovering tunnels to kidnap soldiers' so they kill people...or storming (don't say jack-boots!) into a Palestinian 'territory' and er..killing people...etc.
Israeli soldiers killing people just isn't worth a thread, generally, never mind a forum. If people here were vociferously anti-israeli then it would be a wank-fest of hate filled threads (can we say fwee wepublic?) which wouldn't require or desire an opposing view.
The lack of any 'balance' comes from the paucity of reasoned/reasonable arguments against what is being said. (Honourable mention to TangentLama here btw)
Now if you'll excuse me...I'm away back up to the Shopping Centre to throw a jew down the well.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
So if most people are anti-rape....
The ME forum is generally news driven. The only thing happening just now are those cunting soldiers are at it again 'discovering tunnels to kidnap soldiers' so they kill people...or storming (don't say jack-boots!) into a Palestinian 'territory' and er..killing people...etc.
Israeli soldiers killing people just isn't worth a thread, generally, never mind a forum. If people here were vociferously anti-israeli then it would be a wank-fest of hate filled threads (can we say fwee wepublic?) which wouldn't require or desire an opposing view.
The lack of any 'balance' comes from the paucity of reasoned/reasonable arguments against what is being said. (Honourable mention to TangentLama here btw)
Now if you'll excuse me...I'm away back up to the Shopping Centre to throw a jew down the well.
Forgive me Dex, but this is an extremely elementary assessment. In the space of a dozen lines you summarized the conflict as "Israeli troops kill people. There is no defence. That is all."
Anyway, you've convinced me. Pitch a jew down the well for me too.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Wow, well-argued!
Ah. Nothing to argue with!
coccinelle
Active Member
OK, this is a moderate version. Under cover of the US Election, the IDF break a four month truce and kill six palestinians.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
If you had read their posts and compared them one must assume you have a level of intelligence on par with the IDF to conclude they were not one and the same.
And this is part of the problem when (sorry for the phrase) people like you jump in to defend him. You've obviously not kept up with what's been happening. So it seems that you are trolling because we have not seen you in here with reasoned debate, a point of view which is constant etc etc. Others come in, do the same and then disappear quickly.
If only your sense of fair play and balance stretched both ways.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I've read them all thanks. Clint seems to know things that I'd not expect Rachamim to. If it is Rachamim it's a very elaborate set up.
By the way, I was posting regularly in this forum (although we didn't have a specific Middle East forum back then) a couple of years before you even registered. Like many others I drifted out because of the one-sidedness and the rucks.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Grandma Death
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I trust Rachimim. Of course its always possible that I'm wrong to do so, but I don't see that it matters particularly. He's indisputably highly intelligent, well-informed and able to give an unusual perspective on a numbare of matters. And the basics of what he says about his life--serving in the IDF, being a junkie in NYC, living in Mindanao, travelling in SE Asia are all *definitely* true. I've differed with him over some points of fact (eg Prof Said's policy on auditors), and I'll admit the Clint business gave me pause, but all things considered I still consider him trustworthy. And I enjoy reading his posts more than almost any other contributor to these boards, and that's the most important thing anyway.
Panda: "That Rachamim has still not prvided proof that Grandma said this or did that.": As I told Editor, I will not talk about it anymore since I am not willing to trawl through 2 odd years of posts. Even using a sinple keyword search at this point would be too much effort. I am simply happy that Grandma manages to maintain civility at this point and as a whole I think it benefits the Forum.
I think my going back and forth over it is not going to prove anything, even if I trotted it out it would not change 99% of the other things being said. People are so deluded as to have thought I would make a new ID, then repeat my own posts. For Heaven's sake, that post was repeating word for word a post in that same thread under my actual name! This is how wound up people are!
I even regret asking them to draw the IPs because after realising that person had repeated a post in the same thread, as well as 16 other posts by 16 other posters in 16 other threads, it is a non-effort. I am a bit surious as to who would have that much time on their hands, and why do it to 16 people? But there it is. Onto real issues now, one hopes.
As for my claimed "pathological need for honesty," well I would expect I have proven that by putting my entire life out there. If I wanted to I could bore people with a few threads of aggravtion I have had to endure over my having done this. In the end though I am glad I did it. I did it to avoid the nonsense being discussed right now! I thought, apprently falsely, that were I to be absolutely honest about who I am, etc., it would draw people out of the name calling, etc. and into honest discourse. Sadly, I underestimated MOST Forum posters, while on the whole have had many good experiences by others so maybe it is a draw? Anyway, it is what it is.
Dexter: "So, Rachamim adds balaance? As if most people were anti-rape, Rachamim being pro-rape would be a good thing?": Oh, you must be taking private lessons with that wily Panda. I mean, one knows just how much Israel the nation has with a rapist in YOUR mind but let us talk about reality, ok?
You hate Israel. Ergo, you hate anyone who ever speaks positively of it. Yes, yes, one sees your logic but it is so childish really. Do you imagine people to be so black and white Dexter? Is your world really that simply drawn? Stick figures is it? Israelis are like any other nationality. You have Englishmen who are the most vile racists in the world, in fact I had mentioned Mosley just the other day to Panda...Then you have Englishmen who are the most gung-ho of Anarchists going.
If a member of the British armed forces were to do soemthing unsavory, would this then tar all English soldiers? In your mind maybe but try to think rationally for a second. I do often support and passionately defend Israel and its military because more than anyone here I have experience with it. As one may see I also criticise it when needed. However, I neither blondly support it nor blondly tar it. I simply try to tell it like I see it. If this is your defintion of a "cun$," so be it.
Tempted to say "I am what I eat" but I do fear it would be lost on the likes of you.
I think my going back and forth over it is not going to prove anything, even if I trotted it out it would not change 99% of the other things being said. People are so deluded as to have thought I would make a new ID, then repeat my own posts. For Heaven's sake, that post was repeating word for word a post in that same thread under my actual name! This is how wound up people are!
I even regret asking them to draw the IPs because after realising that person had repeated a post in the same thread, as well as 16 other posts by 16 other posters in 16 other threads, it is a non-effort. I am a bit surious as to who would have that much time on their hands, and why do it to 16 people? But there it is. Onto real issues now, one hopes.
As for my claimed "pathological need for honesty," well I would expect I have proven that by putting my entire life out there. If I wanted to I could bore people with a few threads of aggravtion I have had to endure over my having done this. In the end though I am glad I did it. I did it to avoid the nonsense being discussed right now! I thought, apprently falsely, that were I to be absolutely honest about who I am, etc., it would draw people out of the name calling, etc. and into honest discourse. Sadly, I underestimated MOST Forum posters, while on the whole have had many good experiences by others so maybe it is a draw? Anyway, it is what it is.
Dexter: "So, Rachamim adds balaance? As if most people were anti-rape, Rachamim being pro-rape would be a good thing?": Oh, you must be taking private lessons with that wily Panda. I mean, one knows just how much Israel the nation has with a rapist in YOUR mind but let us talk about reality, ok?
You hate Israel. Ergo, you hate anyone who ever speaks positively of it. Yes, yes, one sees your logic but it is so childish really. Do you imagine people to be so black and white Dexter? Is your world really that simply drawn? Stick figures is it? Israelis are like any other nationality. You have Englishmen who are the most vile racists in the world, in fact I had mentioned Mosley just the other day to Panda...Then you have Englishmen who are the most gung-ho of Anarchists going.
If a member of the British armed forces were to do soemthing unsavory, would this then tar all English soldiers? In your mind maybe but try to think rationally for a second. I do often support and passionately defend Israel and its military because more than anyone here I have experience with it. As one may see I also criticise it when needed. However, I neither blondly support it nor blondly tar it. I simply try to tell it like I see it. If this is your defintion of a "cun$," so be it.
Tempted to say "I am what I eat" but I do fear it would be lost on the likes of you.
Coccinelle: "IDF breaks truce and kills 'Palestinians'.": Riiiigiht. Guess you have been sleeping through the 600 plus Qassams that have been launched FROM GAZA since that "truce" began, right? Should I add the number of mortar rounds that have made it into Israel? What about the tunnel that was at the center of the event you are talking about?
A tunnel was found to have been dug under the Border
Fence and into an IDF position. The operation you rare discussing was to neutralise this tunnel. Sadly, members of HAMAS, the organisation supposed to be "in a truce" with us was the group who built it. When the IDF approached the tunnel outlet they blew up the building over it that just happened to be a house.
The objective by the way, was for HAMAS to kidnap yet another Israeli and drag them into oblivion in Gaza. So, who violated what??????
P.S.: In the last 2 weeks just under 2 tonnes of high grade munitions were found in Sinai, by Egypt, as it waited to be smuggled into Gaza via the Rafah Tunnels.
Dexter: "If someone read Clint's post and Rachamim's post and did not know they were the same...": Indeed Dexter. They WERE the same! SAME EXACT POSTS, only I was not Clint. In case it has not gotten through yet, Clint took 16 posts from 16 posters and repeated them verbatim in 16 different threads. My post was repeated in the same thread! He repeated posts in original threads! Sadly you accuse others of not being smart when you yourself could not even see this!
Phil: That is the thing, people just do not see that people can communicate without hate.
Foil: Glad to see rational people here.
A tunnel was found to have been dug under the Border
Fence and into an IDF position. The operation you rare discussing was to neutralise this tunnel. Sadly, members of HAMAS, the organisation supposed to be "in a truce" with us was the group who built it. When the IDF approached the tunnel outlet they blew up the building over it that just happened to be a house.
The objective by the way, was for HAMAS to kidnap yet another Israeli and drag them into oblivion in Gaza. So, who violated what??????
P.S.: In the last 2 weeks just under 2 tonnes of high grade munitions were found in Sinai, by Egypt, as it waited to be smuggled into Gaza via the Rafah Tunnels.
Dexter: "If someone read Clint's post and Rachamim's post and did not know they were the same...": Indeed Dexter. They WERE the same! SAME EXACT POSTS, only I was not Clint. In case it has not gotten through yet, Clint took 16 posts from 16 posters and repeated them verbatim in 16 different threads. My post was repeated in the same thread! He repeated posts in original threads! Sadly you accuse others of not being smart when you yourself could not even see this!
Phil: That is the thing, people just do not see that people can communicate without hate.
Foil: Glad to see rational people here.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Here you go Ive done it for you.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=8157292
Will you now FINALLY admit that I have NEVER denigrated your mother. Will you NOW finally apologise for making up this ad hom?
Somehow I doubt it. But your continual reliance to fall back on this 'defence mechanism' and your lack of apology speaks volumes about you. Carry on Rach-forum users can see you for the person you really are.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Not at all, it merely confirms you're a cock, cock. Always declaring you don't like pork seemed like a lady protesting too much, I'm afraid.
Promises, promises.
It all depends on what you mean by 'positively', 'hate', 'Ergo' and 'it'.
Grandma: Grandma has now provided a link (I have not sen where it links) so now Rachamim has has the checking done for him. Will he now admit that Grandma never called his mum a cun%?": Nope. However, as I mentioned in response to Editor, I am not dicussing it further. I will not lie, not even for principle (principle being to shut you up) but at the same time I do think it has gone far enough (yeah, far enough already a year ago).
Dexter: "Rachamim always claiming he does not like pork...": What? You are fantasising again Dexter. I eat the shi$ out of a pork chop. Much to the chagrin of my wife (converts are always more pious). I first ate non-kosher food at 16 and have never looed back. Pernil (Spanish pork shoulder slow cooked in sour orange juice and spices)? Bacon? Chorizo (dried Spanish sausage)? Pepperoni? hmmm hmm good!!!
I am trying to revert to Kashroot (Kosher life) at my wife's request though. Diffiuclt in the Philippines though. Especially when we go wild boar hunting!
the rest of your short post is nothing but word games so forgive me if I ginore it.
Dexter: "Rachamim always claiming he does not like pork...": What? You are fantasising again Dexter. I eat the shi$ out of a pork chop. Much to the chagrin of my wife (converts are always more pious). I first ate non-kosher food at 16 and have never looed back. Pernil (Spanish pork shoulder slow cooked in sour orange juice and spices)? Bacon? Chorizo (dried Spanish sausage)? Pepperoni? hmmm hmm good!!!
I am trying to revert to Kashroot (Kosher life) at my wife's request though. Diffiuclt in the Philippines though. Especially when we go wild boar hunting!
the rest of your short post is nothing but word games so forgive me if I ginore it.
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