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Tory Death Spiral

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Kaka Tim, Jun 11, 2017.

  1. billy_bob

    billy_bob supercalifragilistic-borussiamönchengladbach

    A high-functioning alcoholic won us the Second World War: what could be more appropriate than putting another one in charge of Brexit?

    Although in the latter case I think the 'high-functioning' bit has yet to be proven...
     
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  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model amid a crowd of stars

    would this be the same high, functioning alcoholic whose entire political life to age 65 had been failure piled on failure?
     
  3. ruffneck23

    ruffneck23 Well-Known Member

  4. billy_bob

    billy_bob supercalifragilistic-borussiamönchengladbach

    Yes, that one. To be fair, it does take a while to work out what you can do better pissed. For me, it's playing pool.
     
  5. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model amid a crowd of stars

    yeh. very few people get killed playing pool pissed.
     
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  6. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Somewhere under the raincloud

    Remains. I see what you did there.
     
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  7. billy_bob

    billy_bob supercalifragilistic-borussiamönchengladbach

    We obviously go to very different classes of pub.
     
  8. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    Jo Johnson moved to Transport.
     
  9. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model amid a crowd of stars

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  10. existentialist

    existentialist Spartacus? No, never heard of him.

    I must say, Esther McVey must be cockahoop to be second pick for DWP :rolleyes:. Just goes to demonstrate the paucity of choice May has for senior ministers.
     
  11. billy_bob

    billy_bob supercalifragilistic-borussiamönchengladbach

    Indeed. Yesterday when Greening walked I thought, well, big deal. But thinking about it, the fact that she wasn't already seared into my consciousness because of glaring unfitness for the job and general loathsomeness might be a reflection of the fact that she was about the least worst they had to offer.
     
  12. steveo87

    steveo87 Procrastinating for....a while

    Also picked an S Club 7 song for desert island discs.

    Davis not Churchill, mind.
     
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  13. MightyTibberton

    MightyTibberton Well-Known Member

    Churchill was briefly in the Beverley Sisters. That's the rumour in any case.
     
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  14. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    All three of them
     
  15. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    How the fuck is Esther McVey?

    Thought she'd been booted out, a parachute last year then? Another one that won't flush.
     
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  16. existentialist

    existentialist Spartacus? No, never heard of him.

    She got booted out of Wirral West, and was then parachuted into Tatton when the slime Osborne ducked out.
     
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  17. not a trot

    not a trot Well-Known Member

    Should be an Olympic sport.
     
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  18. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer

    She's also been parachuted upwards within the Department of Work and Pensions, despite her former DWP role apparantly specifically contributing to her defeat in Wirral West ...

    Failure no barrier to promotion, with the Tories ...... :hmm:
     
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  19. existentialist

    existentialist Spartacus? No, never heard of him.

    Useful idiots always come in handy...why, hello, Mr Cunt, didn't see you there.
     
  20. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    This impending collapse of Carillion is certainly going to be interesting; will they save money by taking back hundreds of contracts in-house or spend money on bailing out a firm that has been run badly?*

    * obviously we know which
     
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  21. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    I don't think Carillion will be allowed to fail, too big and the banks are into them too deep. Its the same with several major builders, Laing O'Rourke etc. There's also a legacy thing with Carillion that would look very bad. They are a company that have grown by acquisition and they seem to adopt the history of the companies they acquire for example Carillion will tell you that they built the 1st motorway, the Thames Barrier, Buckingham Palace etc. It would be very bad for brand GB if they were to fail and given the timing and the current climate its hard to imagine it being allowed to happen.

    As an aside I saw first hand what Carillion were like when they acquired a company I was working for then. None of what is happening now has surprised me in the slightest. Breathtaking arrogance combined with pointless waste on a whole new scale.
     
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  22. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    I know, but its going to be very hard for the Government to continue with the fiscally responsible claptrap when they are shovelling money down what is probably a bottomless pit when it would be possible to take some / all of the outsourced stuff back for nothing, or virtually nothing.
     
  23. existentialist

    existentialist Spartacus? No, never heard of him.

    Nobody can be surprised when they turn out to be saying one thing while doing the exact opposite - it's gone on like that for a long time!
     
  24. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    Well, that's exactly what they are doing:

    Carillion set for £75m East Leeds Orbital Route | Construction Enquirer

    Good money after bad.
     
  25. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

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  26. existentialist

    existentialist Spartacus? No, never heard of him.

  27. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    Just coming back to this, I assume you're talking about the PFI deals which Carillion are signed up to. I wonder, given how shit a deal the government signed up to with these, whether it would be something as simple as just coming back to the government should the PFI contractor went pop.

    I reckon they'll be something in the contract that says the deal is owned by Carillion and they can then sell it as an asset in the event of them going bust. I bet its something like that.
     
  28. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    There usually is, but the rescue deal being almost certainly contingent on Government support means that those contracts can be easily reclaimed as part of any support measure. Carillion have also tried to sell off "assets" already and got a bad response (reports said they tried for £300 million but only got £50 million), probably because everyone knows what a mess they are in and everything will be much cheaper when they go under.
     
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  29. existentialist

    existentialist Spartacus? No, never heard of him.

    What offends me the most about this is that I thought the point of privatisation wasn't that the state still ended up carrying the risk.

    I wonder if a mandatory prison sentence of, say, 2 years for the directors of companies which took on a privatisation contract, should they fail to honour their obligations, might concentrate minds a bit. :)
     
  30. Whagwan

    Whagwan Well-Known Member

    Socialised risk, privatised profit. It's been that way all along.
     

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