Tory Death Spiral

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Kaka Tim, Jun 11, 2017.

  1. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    Hopefully im not being too optimistic with the title but things are looking to be going increasingly pear shaped for the vermin.

    As i read it, their disastrous election has left them fatally exposed to conflicting interests within their own ranks and at the mercy of the extremely loose cannons of the DUP.

    You have the hard brexiters scrambling to keep their "vision" on track. Whislt the soft brexit faction are suddenly pushing their agenda. Which is not going to go down well with the daily mail brexit voter base.

    you have the met liberal/square mile fan boy remainers like osbourne delighting in kicking the fuck out of may and presumably any brexiter replacement like boris.

    You have a newly emboldened scottish tory party very keen to act a separate entity who are very anti-brexit and anti-DUP. (Ruth davidson may be playing a longer game to be tory leader as well).

    you have farage threatening to bob back up the poltical u bend and shit on their electoral arithmetic.

    This is being presided over by a prime minister who has zero authority, who is now derided and despised as a walking disaster by the entire party - but they have no credible replacement and they are about to embark on the brexit negotiations.

    They are clearly going to struggle to get anything remotely contentious through the house of commons.

    Im not sure how the mechanisms will work to bring it about - but i can see another election very likely within 6-18 months.

    And then they really will be fucked. They have totally shat the bed with the voters. Their advantage was always their reputation for political and economic competence, stability and no-nonsense firmness. They were the ones who would be firm and resolute when dealing with the perfidious EUrocrats.

    That is now all in the toilet - they are the coalition of chaos, incompetent bunglers who europe are now openly laughing at and who about to start tearing each other apart.

    Arrogant buffoons who thought they could triumph with a "eat up your gruel if you know whats good for you" manifesto.

    Politically they have run out of road with austerity and will have to tack left if they want to win. But will face the same problmes that labour did when they tried to be mini-me toriys - They have no convincing answers on stuff like the NHS or brexit.

    They are now faced with a totally rejuvenated, united(ish) labour party who now look the more convincing party of government with every passing day.

    I cant see a way out of this for them.

    So - lets make this thread an ongoing heartwarming chronicle of the spats, backstabbing, u-turns, humiliations, pratfalls, cluster fucks, face palms and disintegrations of natural party of government until the day that vengeful voters hammer an electoral stake into its heart (if they can find it).

    (obviously their will be another sequel as they always manage to arise again from the grave - but that could be some time off and lets enjoy the moment)
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2017
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  2. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    oh - and then you have the likely hood of the economy starting to tank feeding mass discontent with a useless, paralysed government.
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  3. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Natural party of government :D
  4. moochedit

    moochedit Mr Mooched It

    I wonder how long it takes before the opinion polls show labour ahead?
  5. The Boy

    The Boy danny la rouge is probably wrong.

    Already have.
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  6. Fez909

    Fez909 toilet expert

    Been thinking about this a lot, and it's hard to see how it will happen, but i think it will too.

    Got this so far: May is forced to resign. Boris probably next up. Proves very unpopular. No confidence vote in the Commons. Loses. Corbyn goes to queen to form minority gov. Does ok at the Brexit talks, then calls election. Win majority.
  7. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    The day the brexit talks start
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  8. moochedit

    moochedit Mr Mooched It

    Link? I know they were catching up but i haven't seen any with labour in front yet.
  9. Fez909

    Fez909 toilet expert

    Check the polling thread. Latest survation has labor well ahead
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  10. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

  11. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

  12. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. Guadalajara Won’t Do Now....

    I remember the two elections in 1974 due to hung parliaments.
    The first in February saw the Unionist party's break their ties officially with the Tories over the previously installed Sunningdale agreement as well as being the first election following the UK joining the EEC. Funny how things turnabout.
  13. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Not what they want but what is good for them

    This is SOP for the tories- it doesnt take much for them to revert to type when it gets shitty- you can pretty guarantee that the new inproved animal will be more cuddly - but cuddly through gritted teeth. they are adept at survival at any cost
  14. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank We kill the flame

    This whole situation is comedy gold. The Ruth Davidson/Scots tory angle is one I hadn't anticipated but it could easily mean that even with a (somehow) tamed DUP May has a good chance of not getting anything through parliament. Could also make all the 'blame Scotland' idiots eat their words.
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2017
  15. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    The only thing that worries me is that Ruth Davidson could become leader of the Tories after being seen as some sort of internal opposition to May, she would do well or at least a lot better than any of the alternatives. That being, you're absolutely right, we have had over a decade now of anti-Scottish propaganda in Britain and that is another factor in play.
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  16. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank We kill the flame

    I doubt the parliamentary tory party would let Davidson become leader, even to save their own skins.
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  17. Idris2002

    Idris2002 chief propagandist (official)

    Just how bad a Tory is RD, anyway? Are we talking Varadkar style right wingery, or something not so bad?
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  18. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Good name for a band btw.
  19. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    ruth davidson would have to win a westminster seat before she can become leader. not really feasible in the near future. shes a remainer too. shes a contendor for post brexit IMO.
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  20. Corax

    Corax Luke 5:16

    I don't think she does, technically. It's just a very strong convention. That convention's never been tested since devolution though...
  21. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Saw them support Ruddy Yurts in shepherds bush in 89

    existentialist Libertad
  22. Libertad

    Libertad Would it help?

    Seminal gig, shame about the pyrotechnics though.
  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Yeh. Dying on the way to the gig :( RIP pyrotechnics
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  24. Libertad

    Libertad Would it help?

    They were a shit band though.
  25. emanymton

    emanymton A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.

    There is no way either of the two main parties would ever have a leader who is not also an MP. Especially not if it means the party leader and the prime minister being different people.
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  26. Corax

    Corax Luke 5:16

    That's what 'strong convention' means.
  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

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  28. treelover

    treelover Well-Known Member

    Hoefully more welfare 'reform' will be on hold.
  29. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Thanks to your friends in the dup no doubt
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  30. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    Thread title of year award, so far?
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