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sunset spires and twilight woods
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Tories and anti-union plans
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BigTom
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not from tory scum anti union perspective it isn't, this'll really undermine strikes in any unskilled/semi-skilled places, and even for some skilled jobs, at least until some agency numpty on minimum wage crashes a tube train because they didn't have full training or something. TUC unions gonna be totally fucked by this, probably won't even try to strike anymore, will be reduced to flogging insurance.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
But the less 'pressure valves' and legal opportunity people have to strike, well...
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
It is a really stupid idea.
Productivity, efficiency etc. will be worse in the long term.
It's all about short term money grabbing and idealogical extremism.
Some watered down social democracy with powerful yet compliant unions is a far more sustainable model for capital.
...but they're not interested on the long term.
Productivity, efficiency etc. will be worse in the long term.
It's all about short term money grabbing and idealogical extremism.
Some watered down social democracy with powerful yet compliant unions is a far more sustainable model for capital.
...but they're not interested on the long term.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
Maybe, but if they make it really easy to sack people, then many/most will be too scared to do anything.
Though that's where the IWW model of outside organisers comes in handy - the visible organisers not being an employee, they can't get sacked.
We've been here before tbf, when unions started, and so we clearly can take action and have that action be effective, maybe just feels like it won't because (a) we're losing stuff, not gaining it right now and (b) the TUC unions are such ineffective beasts when it comes to doing anything remotely radical, due to fear of losing their shiny offices.
crossthebreeze
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The TUC unions are going to retain any bargaining power under this they are going to have to a) get creative in their methods (more action short of/other than strikes) and b) but a lot more effort into recruiting and organising casual/agency staff etc. But with a couple of exceptions i doubt they'll do this.
I think it's remarkable how the left is basically in the same position it was in before about 1900. TUists a small minority of the w/c, regular threats to TU rights, lack of w/c representation at a national and local level, no w/c political party. Obviously there's substantial differences, but the task that faces us is surely the same one that faced people back then? Rebuild political and industrial organisations to further our interests, reestablish these in our communities, start achieving small victories, defend the basic rights people have won over the last 100 years. We basically have to start over again don't we?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Setting worker against worker in the process. Clever bastards, I'll give em that.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
won't matter after 2017
crossthebreeze
Well-Known Member
Yes, if they hammer the unions too hard, then the unions become not just ineffective but pointless, and i think they'll soon find out the role that the TUC unions have had in disciplining the workforce - persuading people to not take things into their own hands, to wait for union negotiations, etc. Its not that i'm predicting loads of wildcat strikes or organised action - except in the industries in which such action already happens on a semi-regular basis, and outside the very limited influence of more radical groups - but i think there'll be a big upturn in "mistakes" at work, people going off sick because of stress, individuals kicking off or walking out of workplaces, stuff like that.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
I don't think we're going to end up leaving the EU though. And if we do the tories' economic recovery will be fucked.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
we're all doomed
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
The thing is, outside of the public sector, the unions are already dead. About 9 in 10 workers in the private sector are not in a union.
So unions already have no say in what happens in most workplaces.
As far as I can see this legislation is mainly aimed at the RMT who have used strikes (and mainly the threat of them ) to leverage better pay and protect terms and conditions.
The plans pose problems for them but a bigger problem for unions is their dying relevance and their inability to organise outside of their public sector ghettos.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Yes, plus it plays well with their mates in the media who don't like tube strikes.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
well, RMT already started, obviously completely coincidentally, but overwhelming vote that would pass even these fixed new rules.
http://www.rmt.org.uk/news/overwhelming-vote-for-industrial-action-on-network-rail-pay/
http://www.rmt.org.uk/news/overwhelming-vote-for-industrial-action-on-network-rail-pay/
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
It'll be fucked the moment they re-embark on the cuts.
at present you can't be sanctioned for refusing to cross a picket line, but shh, they might not have realised
I've been looking into getting involved in the local group actually. are they a decent organisation?
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
the mail report that new trade union laws will be fast tracked http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eiled-days-Unions-need-50-turnout-action.html
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